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NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 day ago
For anyone that is curious, Waymo actually is capable of remote moving the vehicles. They do their best not to admit it’s possible, but it’s right in the CPUC filings as a footnote.
cpuc.ca.gov/…/tcp0038152a-waymo-al-0003_a1b.pdf
In very limited circumstances such as to facilitate movement of the AV out of a freeway lane onto an adjacent shoulder, if possible, our Event Response agents are able to remotely move the Waymo AV under strict parameters, including at a very low speed over a very short distance.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 21 hours ago
Waymo really seems to be winning out over Tesla with the self-driving thing. I wonder how much of that is really just because Waymo cars have a remote human driving them in situations where a Tesla would just crap out
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I’m not fully up to speed on Waymo or if they have ever released details, but when Cruise went through that shit storm a year or two ago, it came out that that the cars were asking for help every few miles.
Cruise was essentially all smoke and mirrors.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 16 hours ago
Interesting. Stuff like this makes me suspicious of the current LLM hype. I know it’s not necessarily language models per se being used by these vehicles, but still. If we were really on the cusp of AGI then I’d expect us to have at least cracked autonomous driving by now.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Ya, I don’t buy the hype around AGI. Like a Waymo drove into a telephone pole because of something they had to fix in their code. I’m not doubting there’s AI involved, neural nets, machine learning, whatever, but this isn’t an AGI type level development. Nor do I think they need an AGI to do this.
I’m also not convinced this LLM stuff can ever lead to AGI either. I think it can do some pretty impressive things with some very real drawbacks/caveats, but that the whole architecture is flawed if you want to make an AGI.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
I’m pretty sure with the fact that Tesla can remote control their robots in 90% of circumstances that we have the same effect with Tesla is being remotely driven and they’re just not admitting to it either.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
So the link I posted was about proving Waymo truly can remote control them if needed even though they deny it, but I would be pretty surprised if Tesla said it wasn’t possible, because their car has the “summon” feature and literally any owner can remotely drive their car with a forward/back button. So regardless of if they do or don’t, it clearly can.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Again, others have said that they don’t keep it a secret that their card can be remote driven. Apparently when you ride in them they give you a button to all for help specifically to be driven. Tesla I’m positive do this, but they are going to hide it all day long.