You need to look at the big picture here, not individual cases.
We should really be investing in trains and busses, not cars of any type.
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Perspectivist@feddit.uk 11 hours agoAnd they always will. You need to look at the big picture here, not individual cases. If we replaced every single car on US roads with one driven by AI - proven to be 10 times better a driver than a human - that would still mean 4,000 people getting killed by them each year. That, however, doesn’t mean we should go back to human drivers and 40,000 people killed annually.
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
walden@wetshav.ing 9 hours ago
I think your logic is flawed. The discussion is about a specific form of transportation. By your own logic, you should be suggesting that people fly everywhere.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Yes. AI human transformation drones make far more sense. Much easier to avoid things because airspace can be controlled. Just need to figure out how to do efficiently that the ride is more than 5 minutes.
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
For long distance maybe, but immediately saying we should all fly everywhere because it has the fewest deaths per passenger mile would really not be looking at the big picture.
walden@wetshav.ing 5 hours ago
Ah, so you do understand there’s a difference in why someone would chose one type of transportation over another.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 10 hours ago
I fully agree with you, but there is the issue of robotaxis crashing 3x as often as human drivers - and thats with a human supervisor on board. So if we switched completely to AI cars with the current level of integration, thats 120000 people killed.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
Tesla made the idiotic decision to rely entirely on cameras, waymo used lidar and other sensors to augment vision.
pennomi@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
That’s Tesla, not Waymo. Tesla’s hardware is shit and does not even include lidar. You can’t judge the entire industry by the worst example.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
New HW4 Teslas do in fact include a front-facing radar, but it’s currently only used for collecting data - not for FSD.
Still, gotta give them credit for getting by with vision-only quite well. I don’t personally see any practical reason why you absolutely must include LiDAR. We already know driving relatively safely with vision only is possible - all the best drivers in the world do it.2.4s
pennomi@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
LiDAR lets you see better than humans, so why wouldn’t you use it? What about fog, darkness, or other common roadside conditions?
Ignoring the best sensors means they can never surpass the safety of other self-driving vehicles. It was short sighted (pun intended) to remove that hardware. They have intentionally crippled their vehicles.
zbyte64@awful.systems 15 minutes ago
Big picture is AI not being able to operate under unusual conditions means that the “10 times better” has a big fucking caveat where we can’t say the stat will hold true if we replace all drivers.