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AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I had no idea what a tankie was until I read the comments here.
spikespaz@programming.dev 9 months ago
figaro@lemdro.id 9 months ago
People who support fascist governments - specifically, Russia and China.
They will also rightly say something about how America does bad things too. And that is true. It’s ok to admit that.
They, on the other hand, will never admit that Russia or China is ever doing something unethical or wrong.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 9 months ago
They have a critical logic mistake they always make:
US bad = not_US good
They’re effectively obsessed with America in a negative way, where they have to hate anything the US likes and like anything the US hates. They find themselves defending oppressive regimes and, instead of having a realization, dig in further. All the news about NK being bad is just propaganda, and China isn’t doing anything bad to the Uighurs even though they have official government statements on it.
It’s just like nationalist patriotism in a way, just the negative of it. One’s obsessed with what the US likes, the other is obsessed with what the US dislikes. The US can do no wrong to one, and everything it does is bad to the other. It’s an incredibly childish logic.
KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Great nuanced definition you provided to ignorant people who are looking to learn. You totally don’t have an agenda here.
apotheotic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Thanks for your nuanced take, @KillAllPoorPeople
Corran1138@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Your own comment above basically supports the definition of tankie. Specifically, this:
The term is also used to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin,[9][10] Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Enver Hoxha, Pol Pot, and Kim il-Sung. In modern times, the term is used across the political spectrum to describe those who have a bias in favor of illiberal or authoritarian states with a socialist legacy or a nominally left-wing government, such as the Republic of Belarus, People’s Republic of China, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the Republic of Nicaragua, the Russian Federation, the Republic of Serbia, the Syrian Arab Republic, and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. Additionally, tankies have a tendency to support non-socialist states with no socialist legacy if they are opposed to the United States and the Western world in general, regardless of their ideology,[4][11] such as the Islamic Republic of Iran. (emphasis mine)
I would take issue with the single word ‘fascist’ that @figaro@lemdro.id is using, as the government doesn’t need to be full-on fascist to it qualify for tankies to defend it. It only needs to be illiberal with a socialist legacy or nominally left-leaning government. So the definition is more broad than what figaro defines. But all the elements of Figaro’s defintion are literally there in your own linked Wikipedia article.
dangblingus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m sure you’re above board. It’s literally the definition of Tankie.
KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Just read the Wikipedia page. Don’t listen to people pushing their silly Joseph McCarthy-esk views.
dangblingus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Tankies literally are history revisionists. There is no justification for the Cultural Revolution or Stalinism, even in the face of Western hegemony.
viking@infosec.pub 9 months ago
Joseph McCarthy-esk
-esque
random65837@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Lemmy’s been known for them for years.