Once again lumping in suicides without clearly stating such, to artificially bolster gun violence. This data includes suicides, which a mag disconnector, chamber indicator, registry, etc won’t help with.
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PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year agoCalifornia regulations have done nothing to improve gun violence in their state when compared to less restrictive states like Texas.
That’s not true.
www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/…/firearm.htm
Texas has significantly more firearm deaths than California, 9p/100k vs 15p/100k
Better social safety nets would be far more effective at reducing all forms of violence.
We should be doing both. The lack of social stability/mobility and health services is a part of the core problem. But it is not the only part.
sudo22@lemmy.world 1 year ago
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Once again lumping in suicides without clearly stating such
Suicides are a form of gun violence.
This data includes suicides, which a mag disconnector, chamber indicator, registry, etc won’t help with.
I never made that argument, so this is a strawman.
sudo22@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Strawman? My friend these are gun laws in California. The state we’re talking about.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My friend these are gun laws in California.
And the intent behind them, at least the ones you specified, is not to deal with suicides. They are to prevent accidents (which is a part of gun violence).
You are basically saying “these car seat belt laws don’t do anything to prevent airplane crashes!”. Yeah no shit, that wasn’t the point of those laws.
dartanjinn@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Nope. There is no and should not be a requirement to register to express a right that clearly states it shall not be infringed. Not a chance. Once again, showe a criminal with bad intentions who’s going to register his firearms he bought out of the back of a van. You can’t because they don’t exist. Registration would only make things worse for everyone. Especially a publicly searchable registry where home invaders could add that little step to planning out which homes they’re going to invade.
Any and every requirement is a barrier to your right to bear arms and is an infringement because people like you think you sit on some high horse when in reality it’s you making life worse for everyone involved. Stop it.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There is no and should not be a requirement to register to express a right that clearly states it shall not be infringed.
And requiring registration does not infringe, as you are still permitted to own guns.
showe a criminal with bad intentions who’s going to register his firearms he bought out of the back of a van. Especially a publicly searchable registry where home invaders could add that little step to planning out which homes they’re going to invade.
These are strawman arguments.
Stop it.
Nope. Children are needlessly being killed over this stupid shit that should have been dealt with a century ago.
dartanjinn@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Children are being killed over gun rights? Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public? That wouldn’t be an infringement on your right to free speech, would it? Do you need to register your right to not speak to avoid self incrimination? No. Do you need to register your right to protection from unlawful search and seizure? Nope.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Children are being killed over gun rights?
Yes. The lack of gun control is leading to shootings, accidental discharges, etc, which directly lead to the deaths of children.
Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
The state is not doing that.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
I don’t think you understand how a strawman works.
You were arguing against a position I do not hold. You can’t just make up some crap, argue against it, and then pretend that it’s a view I hold.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public?
So there is a fundamental misunderstanding you have here. The right to speak and the right to bear arms are fundamentally different rights. One is the right to an action, the other is a right to own something. One is not inherently dangerous, the other is. So pretending that the protections surrounding these rights can be applied the same is just silly. The right to speak does not carry anywhere near the same danger as a gun.
On top of that, there are other things we have the right to own that are dangerous and therefore require registration, such as cars. We have the right to own cars, but we are still required to register them due to the dangers involved with them. Bicycles don’t require registration, and that’s because they aren’t dangerous, or at least not anywhere near as dangerous.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
I really do not care what Girsham/pro-gun death people think.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Gun violence is nothing more than an arbritary metric whose sole purpose is gun control. If they wanted violence, theyd say violence. If they wanted suicides, theyd say suicides.
But no, they had a conclusion and made up gun violence as a metric.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How is counting the number of dead arbitrary?
People are needlessly dying. We absolutely need gun control.
Keeping track of how many have died is a reasonable thing.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You aren’t counting the number of dead. Only the acts using a specific tool. Its a metric about the tool, not about deaths. And besides, violence counts more than deaths.
People are needlessly dying. But gun control will not solve that. Focus on why people are killing themselves.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s exactly what I am doing. I quoted the number of dead per capita.
“No way to stop this says only country where this regularly happens.”
I’ll give you a hint, most countries solve this with gun control.