voracitude@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Limited liability companies are “limited” in the sense that there are limited on the responsibilities of the members of the corporation. The CEO can’t be held personality liable for the actions of the company, for example; their underlings could have been responsible and kept the leader in the dark.
However, there’s this interesting legal standard wherein it is possible to “pierce the corporate veil” and hold corporate leadership accountable for illegal actions their company took, if you can show that by all reasonable standards they must or should have known about the illegal activity.
Anyway Elon has been elbow-deep in the inner workings of Xitter for years now, but his own annotation, right? Really getting in there to tinker and build new stuff, like Grok and its image generation tools. Seems like he knows an awful lot about how that works. An awful lot.
The CEO can’t be held personally liable for the actions of the company, for example; their underlings could have been responsible and kept the leader in the dark.
The onus should be on the company to prove their employees kept the CEO in the dark, not the other way around.
The law is a funny creature. I own a business myself (just started, actually!) and it would suck to be brought up on charges I have no idea about but I’m being held personally liable for. I’m grateful for the LLC protection in that case. Of course, I’m also not planning on committing any crimes, nor having my business commit crimes, so it’s a minor worry. Really only important in the event the law gets weaponised against the people, say for example by a foreign asset in high office… 😬
So you like the benefit of being on top of the hierarchy without the responsibility.
Congrats.
Hahahahaha okay, buddy. Spoken like someone who’s never been held to account for the actions of others over whom you have no actual authority or power. When I was in the military, I was put in charge of the supply closet and I had to keep it in order to the Staff Sergeant’s specifications. However, my entire Flight had access to that supply closet, and they fucked it up relentlessly. Whose ass, at the end of the day? Mine. How was I supposed to stop it? Fuck you, that’s how.
If I am willingly commissioning crimes through my business, lock me the fuck up. If someone does it in my name and I had no idea, is what the law is there to protect me from. What am I supposed to do if someone does crimes in my business in my name? Fire them, right? So what, you think that being fired is a deterrent from anyone doing crimes? No, of course not. So I ask you again, what actual consequences could I bring to bear on someone who did that?
Let me ask you this. If the rule was that you are responsible for the crimes of your subordinates, no matter what, would you ever risk starting a business or hiring anyone? Most people wouldn’t. How is an economy supposed to flourish under those conditions?
Yours is actually one of the dumbest takes I’ve read on the internet. You sure as shit won the Dumbass Take Of The Day award, and the competition wasn’t even close.
The problem is that once the law has been weaponized against the people, the only laws that matter are the ones they are using to harm you.
Yes, that is indeed the fact I was downplaying as “minor”. I have an even bigger target on my back, and I’m a lot less mobile with all my answers tied up like this.
That is a tricky question. IT isn't just does the CEO know, but should the CEO have known. If you make a machine that injures people the courts ask should you have expected that.
The first time someone uses a lawnmower the cut a hedge the companies and gets hurt can say "we never expected someone to be that stupid" - but we now know people do such stupid things and so if you make a lawn mower and someone uses it to cut a hedge the courts will ask why you didn't stop them - the response is then we can't think of how to stop them but look at the warnings we put on.
When Grok was first used to make porn X can get by with "we didn't think of that". However this is now known. They now need to do more to stop it. there are a number of options. Best is fix Grok so it can't do that; they could also just collect enough information on users that when it happens the police can arrest the person who instructed grok. There are a number of other options, if the court accepts them depends on if the tool is otherwise useful and if whatever they do reduces the amount of porn (or whatever evil) that gets through - perfection isn't needed but it needs to get close.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 2 days ago
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SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 days ago
Oh man the last three years have been rough on him.
Hopefully the next three are worse.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Having giant growths in your bladder that mean you can’t pee when you want to, and can’t stop peeing when you don’t want to, will wear ya down.
I hear he’s doing ketamine about it, which may not be the best idea because ketamine got him there…
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 days ago
I thought he was the giant growth on his bladder.