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• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Given these limitations, our goal should not be closer and closer adherence to some unknowable objective reality, but instead more and more useful models in terms of their effect on the happiness of ourselves and others.

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I feel like we can do both, we can’t just deny eccentric physicists the pleasure of better understanding the universe! 😅 Even if we most likely won’t find construct some “last theorem”, even if reality is itself not just epistemologically unknowable but physically so as well the building blocks of reality are not actual blocks but something less permanent, there’s value in getting as close as possible. The other side is for philosophers, sociologists and psychologists, and the world is big enough for all of us. 👍

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I worry that the belief in and pursuit of objective reality has negative social ramifications. For example, transphobia is usually motivated by a belief in objective sex. We also see racism from belief in objective race, and religious genocides such as the Crusades and the colonisation of Latin America from belief in objective religion. While we have made significant strides in all these areas recently, people have not extended the same empathy to otherkin and plural systems, still convinced of objective species and objective personhood. I fear that an antirealist approach is the only way to ensure people seek continuous progress on these issues.

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      • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think you have a very prosocial and lovely stance, and I agree with the sentiment entirely, but idk if transphobia is due to extensive knowledge of the human body, and not just an ignorant excuse for someone’s negative gut reaction/hatred, and the Crusades and South American colonization with a cross and guns was only spun with the idea of religion (really, God wills you to annihilate and subjugate peaceful people around the world?). Also, someone can and should be able to disagree with someone on non-moral stances without hating them, we should be able to live even if you consider yourself trans or otherkin and I don’t think your ideological foundation for it is valid, as long as we’re all behaving with a minimum of humanity. People should be a bit more, uh, uncertain about things though and humble because of it, certainly, as it’s not just a more valid attitude regarding our knowledge and the limits to our understanding but also the only way you can actually change your mind and progress intellectually. Idk. 🤷😅

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• a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The uncertainty principle requires physical things to be small enough for it to matter.

  There are many provably accurate mathematical models.

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I just threw that out there for a material approach but even otherwise what is is unknownable, but what we perceive is something we can work with. And that’s the whole point: mathematics are simply not a description of reality, but a tool for understanding what we explore in reality through physics, biology, chemistry, etc., it’s a solid framework to understand the universe, but by itself it says nothing about it, it only says something about logic and understanding itself, and it’s limitations (Russell’s paradox, for instance). This is extremely useful and foundational, ofc, but all of our geniuses worked within these walls and all of our “knowledge” comes with this caveat.

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