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• ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  But even the best map remains a map, not the terrain. Our mental encapsulations of reality will always be lacking and we fundamentally cannot reach omniscience, even with all resources put together. 🤷

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  • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Given these limitations, our goal should not be closer and closer adherence to some unknowable objective reality, but instead more and more useful models in terms of their effect on the happiness of ourselves and others.

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    • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I feel like we can do both, we can’t just deny eccentric physicists the pleasure of better understanding the universe! 😅 Even if we most likely won’t find construct some “last theorem”, even if reality is itself not just epistemologically unknowable but physically so as well the building blocks of reality are not actual blocks but something less permanent, there’s value in getting as close as possible. The other side is for philosophers, sociologists and psychologists, and the world is big enough for all of us. 👍

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      • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I worry that the belief in and pursuit of objective reality has negative social ramifications. For example, transphobia is usually motivated by a belief in objective sex. We also see racism from belief in objective race, and religious genocides such as the Crusades and the colonisation of Latin America from belief in objective religion. While we have made significant strides in all these areas recently, people have not extended the same empathy to otherkin and plural systems, still convinced of objective species and objective personhood. I fear that an antirealist approach is the only way to ensure people seek continuous progress on these issues.

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  • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The uncertainty principle requires physical things to be small enough for it to matter.

    There are many provably accurate mathematical models.

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    • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I just threw that out there for a material approach but even otherwise what is is unknownable, but what we perceive is something we can work with. And that’s the whole point: mathematics are simply not a description of reality, but a tool for understanding what we explore in reality through physics, biology, chemistry, etc., it’s a solid framework to understand the universe, but by itself it says nothing about it, it only says something about logic and understanding itself, and it’s limitations (Russell’s paradox, for instance). This is extremely useful and foundational, ofc, but all of our geniuses worked within these walls and all of our “knowledge” comes with this caveat.

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