Comment on Iran plans permanent break from global internet, say activists

• DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Different. Iran’s proposal would, if enacted, literally makes communications to the outside world impossible, since they are literally disconnecting the internet from the outside. It’s more like North Korea. In constrast, VPNs are still a thing in China… for now at least. Not every western site gets blocked. There’s a Chinese lemmy instance btw. Information flows in and out of China all the time.

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  • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    China seems to vary. When I was there, VPNs worked, even Meta and Google sites were accessible on my T-mobile SIM. Other times those things are not accessible

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Most people in China can’t get a foreign sim lol, so that roaming thing only applies to foreigners.

      I watched a video about how to bypass the firewall. Apparantly you could visit a hotel that tourists go to and like just book a room and you can use their wifi… to access the world wide web without wirewall.

      Or you somehow order an iPhone or Samsung that’s made for the international market, and if you have to import it, hope that the customs overlooks it (I mean it’s just a cell phone, not a drone or radios or anything scary looking, shouldn’t be too suspicious), then once you get it, purchase an overseas esim and then you can use that roaming and get access to the outside internet.

      Or just walk up to some random foreigner and be like: “Ay yo, can you help me get a VPN, I can pay you in cash” (I mean you probably need a translator app if you grew up in mainland China) and hope they don’t find you too sus and actually helps you.

      Or if you know diasporas willing to help…

      I mean I could probably buy a vpn here in the US, then send the vpn credentials and the .exe or .apks via an encrypted .7z compressed file to their qq email with an innocuous-looking title, then say the password over the phone, or mail the password… I doubt they inspect every letter.

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  • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What’s the chinese lemmy instance?

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      fasheng.ing

      It’s very close the Mandarin Pinyin of 发声音 (fāshēngyīn) (to make noise / to speak)

      I don’t think they have too much activity tho

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  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Exactly, China filters their Internet. Just like Facebook and Twitter do. Instead of being at the whims of two rich individuals it’s at the whim of the government.

    Not that one is better than the other, but US users experience the same (from a technical standpoint, no ideologically) kind of filtering but they’re not told that it is the great Zuck firewall or the great Elon firewall even though it is used in the same way to filter topics and ideas that the owner doesn’t like.

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Exactly, China filters their Internet. Just like Facebook and Twitter do. Instead of being at the whims of two rich individuals it’s at the whim of the government.

      Not that one is better than the other, but US users experience the same (from a technical standpoint, not ideologically) kind of filtering but they’re not told that it is the great Zuck firewall or the great Elon firewall even though it is used in the same way to filter topics and ideas that the owner doesn’t like.

      The US doesn’t really block VPNs or many websites. I can access Baidu and QQ stuff in the US without a VPN. My parents regularly use WeChat here in the US without a VPN. In contrast, in China you can’t access a lot of western sites like Facebook/Twitter/Wikipedia, and, intermittently, Reddit, gets blocked without a VPN, and VPNs are much more difficult to obtain and use in China compared to the US.

      As for Facebook/Twitter censorship, that’s on the people. They could easily switch to alternative platforms without using any VPNs but they just choose not to.

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      • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Oh yeah, certainly. The US Government isn’t openly censoring the Internet and most of the ‘censorship’ is done by private individuals (who, I would argue, have even more power over the average person’s life).

        I’m not making a false equivalence, just pointing out that even if the government isn’t doing it the people in the US shouldn’t be so smug because they are also getting viewpoint-filtered Internet, except their viewpoint dictator is some tech bro billionaire of questionable morality.

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        I will say, to the passive readers, it’s very possible to live without a site that recommends you content. Avoiding those sites avoids a huge amount of propaganda and emotional priming (which affects you even if you know it is misleading, very important!). Get your news from reputable polls, primary sources (like court documents and case filings) and trusted news organizations (which absolutely exist, despite the drumbeat of ‘don’t trust the media(trust Elon instead!)’ propaganda over the past decade).

        Delete Meta, TikTok and X as if your sanity depends on it. Stay away from Reddit, stay away from Lemmy communities that primarily pedal in content that makes you angry, outraged or afraid. If you see a piece of media that makes you outraged, angry, afraid or to think conspiratorially stay far away. Those emotions can be primed into your subconsciousness through content that you rationally know is misleading, knowing that something is misleading does not protect you from it.

        Read psychological textbooks about how this works. Look for terms like respondent conditioning, semantic/context/social priming. The Social Dilemma and The Great Hack are excellent documentaries that show the technology involved(The Social Dilemma) and how it can be used to affect political outcomes like Brexit and Trump’s first campaign (The Great Hack, and also any journalism covering Cambridge Analytica).

        These are techniques that have been used for advertising purposes for a long time. Now instead of promoting body shame to make you buy makeup, they’re selling conspiratorial thinking so that you doubt the reality that you see with your own eyes or fear of government agents so you avoid the polls and fear of social/career/legal retribution so that you don’t speak your mind on social media.

        Get rid of that garbage and protect yourself from this kind of attack, anyone who is paying attention can see the damage being caused in the world… this is how it is being done. Delete it.

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