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offspec@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It would be inviting a lawsuit for sure. I like the essence of the idea, but it’s probably more trouble than it’s worth for all but the most fanatic.

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  • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is it though? That is (or was, and should be again) publicly accessible information that was created over the years by random internet users. I refuse the notion that an American company can “own it” just because they ran the servers. Sure they can hold copyright for their frontend, name and whatever. But posts and comments, no way.

    Of course it would be dumb for someone under US jurisdiction but we’ll see how much an international DMCA claim is worth considering the current relations.

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    • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They don’t own it, the individual posters own the content of their own posts, however, from the reddit terms of service:

      When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit.

      And with each of those rights granted, Reddit’s lawyers can defend those rights. So no, they don’t own it “just because they ran the servers” - they own specific rights to copy granted to them by each poster.

      (I don’t like this arrangement, but ignorance of the terms of service isn’t going to help someone who uploaded a full copy of the works they have extensive rights to) On this subject I think there needs to be an extensive overhaul to narrow what terms you can extend to the general public. The problem is I straight up don’t trust anyone currently in power to make such a change to have our interests in mind.

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      • Mavytan@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m not at all familiar with legalese, but wouldn’t ‘non-exclusive’ in that statement mean that you, and others permitted by you, can redistribute the content as you see fit? Meaning that copying and redistributing reddit content doesn’t necessarily violate reddit’s terms of service but does violate the user’s copyright?

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  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Might be easiest to set up an instance in a country that doesn’t give a fuck about western IP law, then others can federate to it.

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    • fennesz12@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Brb, setting up a Lemmy server in Red Star OS

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      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        (The machine with the only Steam account active in North Korea would like to know your location)

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    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Post and comments are not Reddit IP’s anyway :3

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      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They might have set up the user agreement for it. Stackexchange did and their whole business model was about catching businesses where some worker copy/pasted code from a stackexchange answer and getting a settlement out of it.

        I agree with you in principle (hell, I’d even take it further and think only trademarks should be protected, other than maybe a short period for copyright and patent protection, like a few years), but the legal system might disagree.

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      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        /u/Buddahriffic put it better than I could.

        I agree, it should be reddit’s intellectual property. But the law binds the poor and protects the rich.

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    • 19_84@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      this is one reason i support tor deployment out of the box 😋

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• cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Now this is a good idea.

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• JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Lemmit already existed and was annoying as hell. It was the first account I remember blocking.

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