I’m Pro-Israel and Palestine, Anti-Zionist and Hamas, Pro Jewish and Islamic, Pro Israeli and Palestinian, and Anti genocide and rockets.
This is an incoherent and contradictory set of stances.
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Mantzy81@aussie.zone 5 days ago
These people should learn that there’s a vast difference between a number of things, and they all mean different things:
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Country: Pro or Anti-Israel and Pro or Anti-Palestine
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Political: Pro or Anti-Zionist and Pro or Anti-Hamas
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Religion: Pro or Anti-Jewish and Pro or anti-Islamic
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People: Pro or Anti-Israeli and Pro or anti-Palestinian
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Actions: Pro or Anti-Genocide and Pro or Anti-rockets/guerilla attacks
None of these heading mean the same thing. You can have different opinions about the politics than you do about the people. That is allowed. Conflating them is antisemitic, and disingenuous. Those who campaign for blanket bans and censorship based on disagreements of politics are doing themselves and their causes a great disservice. Supporting Jews doesn’t mean you love genocide. Supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean you support Hamas.
e.g. I’m Pro-Israel and Palestine, Anti-Zionist and Hamas, Pro Jewish and Islamic, Pro Israeli and Palestinian, and Anti genocide and rockets.
Fed up with all these cunts and their thought crime.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Mantzy81@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Only if you think in black and white without realising the world is all shades of grey.
Explain your reasoning and what you mean rather than “nah uh” as that doesn’t help the conversation
Zozano@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Which part specifically?
lodion@aussie.zone 5 days ago
100% agree. Sadly most of the people conflating these concepts are doing so deliberately to push their own agendas.
astutemural@midwest.social 5 days ago
Israel is founded on crimes against humanity. It is impossible to support both Israel and Palestine.
Zozano@aussie.zone 5 days ago
That’s not true. A real two-state solution is the only ethical outcome.
You can argue that this is impossible, and I’m not saying it isn’t, but anything besides a two-state solution is not ethical.
astutemural@midwest.social 4 days ago
One nation, called Palestine. Israelis can apply for a visa.
Zozano@aussie.zone 4 days ago
You think this is realistic?
Mantzy81@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Australia was founded on crimes against humanity. Is it impossible to support both Australia and First Nations?
Zozano@aussie.zone 5 days ago
I’m with you on all of those points, except that I’m anti-religion as a whole.
Zionism is a product of prophecy, this is partially the fault of religion.
“Why should Israel leave? Everyone else should leave”
Mantzy81@aussie.zone 5 days ago
I’m anti-religion if it’s used to justify atrocities and/or thrust upon society. If it’s for their own internal peace and philosophy, then I have less qualms. But admittedly it’s rarely ever used in that way, and usually coercion and power are the main drivers
Zozano@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Soooo… Since its used to justify atrocities and is thrust upon society, you’re anti religion?
Mantzy81@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Anti-religion as a means to hurt others, yes. I’d not ever say I’m pro religion but I don’t mind religious people or people having a religion. I don’t judge them just because they have different feelings about God, only by their actions.