Comment on YSK: ICE is MURDERING in the streets!

• Senal@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  OK so, benefit of the doubt.

  You know that statement wasnt asking for protection right?

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  • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    2nd amendment isn’t just for the 2nd amendment guys. Attacking gun rights when the left will likely need them in the coming years is short sighted.

    To attempt satire by saying that a right wing facist advocating for gun rights, is also expected to advocate for my rights is weakness in the face of aggression.

    The right doesn’t laugh at the satire, they laugh at you. You undermine your own defense with others on the left.

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    • Senal@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Ah, so you just picked a subject that was gun related but not actually related to the reply, to be angry about.

      I suppose that could still be you missing the point accidentally i suppose.

      OK, how about i lay out what was said, and you can see how your reply doesn’t relate to it at all.

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      This is the exact moment the 2nd amendment was meant for. Now behold ! Literally 0 of the 2nd amendment guys will do anything about it…

      Translation:

      The 2nd amendment people are loud about protecting their right to guns, a large part of which is the need for said guns to be available in the case of a corrupt government arising that would require armed resistance, a “well regulated militia” , so to speak.

      And yet here we are with the government shooting civilians in the streets and the 2nd amendment people are nowhere to be seen.

      So, let check you reply for relevance against the original statement:

      2nd amendment isn’t just for the 2nd amendment guys. Attacking gun rights when the left will likely need them in the coming years is short sighted.

      Nobody was attacking gun rights.

      To attempt satire by saying that a right wing facist advocating for gun rights, is also expected to advocate for my rights is weakness in the face of aggression.

      Nobody mentioned fascists or requiring anyone to advocate for anyone else’s rights.

      The right doesn’t laugh at the satire, they laugh at you.

      I’m not sure how this relates to either the original message you responded to, or your reply to it.

      I will say however that a basic level of reading comprehension and good faith (the latter more than the former) would be required before i personally cared about someone’s opinion of me, laughter included.

      You undermine your own defense with others on the left.

      As we’ve established above, this is also unrelated.

      Also, “anybody who doesn’t agree with me is a lefty” is a weak foundation for both conversation and understanding.

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      • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        TL;DR;

        Your reply doesn’t make sense because it seems you didn’t understand what was said. (intentionally or unintentionally)

        You don’t seem to understand a lot of my reply, let’s see if we can clear some stuff

        Nobody mentioned fascists or requiring anyone to advocate for anyone else’s rights.

        The post was complaining about the 2nd amendment folks not getting upset that ICE was treading on people’s rights… Why would they? Why would you expect any other group to defend your rights.

        I’m not sure how this relates to either the original message you responded to, or your reply to it.

        You don’t seem to understand what satire is. Either the original poster was truly upset the 2nd amendment folks were not defending other people’s rights. Or he was trying to make a satirical point outlining that 2nd Amendment people had no intention of defending people’s rights and just wanted guns. I think given the context it is the latter. Satire is great when trying to convince others that the other party is wrong I.E. Gun rights advocates were possibly lying

        I will say however that a basic level of reading comprehension and good faith (the latter more than the former) would be required before i personally cared about someone’s opinion of me, laughter included.

        … Ok

        As we’ve established above, this is also unrelated.

        I’m simply pointing out that when there is need on the left to defend yourselves with firearms you’ve undermined your case. Look up videos with armed protesters or what the Black Panthers are doing to repel ICE. The police and ICE are a lot less willing to deploy excessive force or even to engage with armed individuals.

        Also, “anybody who doesn’t agree with me is a lefty” is a weak foundation for both conversation and understanding.

        I literally quoted Carl Marx what makes you think I’m not on the left? Go left enough and guns are back on the table.

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    • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Perhaps if you want to protect your own rights… you should have your own gun, and not depend on others to do it for you.

      Who attacked gun rights? The guy making fun of hypocrites?

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Wow, that is a long way to say 2nd amendment nutters support ICE.

      Guns have always been the problem and have never been the solution.

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      • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

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