Comment on The whole "toilet seat up, toilet seat down" gender debate could be solved by everybody putting the seat and lid down.

• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  yeah i get the picture but the real question is whether this whole topic is even worth discussing or whether the effect size is so small that it practically doesn’t matter.

  i mean, handbags and door knobs are some of the worst offenders to hygiene but you never see people getting all worked up about those topics, even though i suspect they’re much more significant than whether the toilet lid is up or down. that’s why i’m suspecting people are inflating a small issue into a big trouble here.

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• athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I really doesn’t matter tho because poop particles are everywhere regardless of your toilet seat orientation.

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  • towerful@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    While true, quantity of poop particles also matters.
    Your body can fight off loads of bacteria. But once it gets to an infection point, it can’t keep up and you become ill.

    So yeh, poop is everywhere. As long as it’s small amounts, it’s fine.

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    • tburkhol@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The study where gustofwind got the illustration says it’s around 10x reduction of deposited bacteria with the lid down.

      www.ajicjournal.org/article/…/fulltext#tbl0010

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      • Hawke@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        10x reduction doesn’t even make sense. It’s not possible to reduce by more than 1x, as that would be 100% of the bacteria gone.

        And your link doesn’t support what you said at all.

        The floor and the walls of the restroom were contaminated after toilet flushing, but no significant differences were observed between the contamination occurring with lid position up or down. Wall contamination was minimal, regardless of lid position, and there was no significant difference in contamination level between the surfaces assessed, but data indicated that the trajectory of the aerosol plume contamination may have changed. Floor contamination was not found to be reduced consistently by toilet lid closure prior to flushing.

        Am I misreading something?

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      • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        But how does it compare to what’s already there? How does it affect the average toilet user’s bacterial load, and how does that compare to an approximate threshold for infection?

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  • Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    House dust is up to 50% human skin particles. You're breathing in all sorts of crap, and outside I'm sure there's loads more including animal crap.

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  • gustofwind@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s a lot easier to clean the walls than the ceiling

    ☝️🤓

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    • athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Clean both. Don’t clean both.

      Still. The poop particles remain.

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But I don’t lick the ceiling…

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• myrmidex@belgae.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I was too quick, missed mention of the lid, that makes more sense 😄

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• theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It does make a difference, it means measurably less poo bacteria on places like your tooth brush

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  • rainwall@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Mythbusters tested this and I beleive found no difference at all.

    If you want a sanitized toothbrush, you’ll need to use one of the UV cases.

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