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Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

There’s a natural tendency towards heirarchies, but “natural” doesn’t mean “necessary” and it definitely doesn’t mean “desirable”. To create and maintain a better world takes work, and part of that is dismantling “natural”, but harmful, heirarchies (eg. the physically strong dominating the physically weak).

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AfterNova@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
There are a lot of hierarchies that are undesireable.

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AfterNova@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If humans are hardwired to create heirarchies and seek status would a complete lack of heirarchy be possible on a large scale?

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- Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Some heirarchies (my personal opinion now) are both natural and desirable: parent and child, teacher and student.
  
  Many are harmful, and should be removed, no matter how “natural”.
  
  I wouldn’t say “hardwired to create heirarchies” so much as there’s a tendency, in any case.
  
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  - AfterNova@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Wouldn’t we just create another hierarchy in it’s place? Have fun playing wack a mole.
    
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    Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It won’t be fun. It will be work. I was saying that from the beginning. It’s a task without end, but still worthwhile.
    
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- Aequitas@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is surely how they argued in the Middle Ages when it came to justifying the different estates.
  
  I don’t believe that hierarchies are something inherently human. You don’t seek out hierarchies in your normal environment. Very few people do. And those who do are usually not very popular. You don’t want to subordinate yourself or dominate others. We are all only human, after all. It’s just that we live in a society that is hierarchical, and therefore it seems normal to us. In fact, however, this order can and is only maintained through violence. That cannot be natural.
  
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  - AfterNova@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    So are you saying humans don’t seek social status?
    
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    Aequitas@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    This has nothing to do with hierarchy. Someone who is extremely intelligent and educated gains a lot of social status. But that has nothing to do with hierarchies. At least not necessarily. For example, I don’t think anyone feels subordinate to Eminem just because he has a lot of social status.
    
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