Probably because, compared to those 2 countries, Italy is easier to immigrate to.
Comment on Japan’s Birth Rate Set to Break Even the Bleakest Forecasts
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 days agoItaly’s not doing great either but it never comes up in the “look at japan” discussions
ICastFist@programming.dev 4 days ago
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Japan’s easier than most people think. As long as you have a college degree you can get a shit job pretty easily.
Isolde@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Is that right? Maybe if you look a certain way that’s socially acceptable to them. If you aren’t (white, Asian) you’ll get temporary work that pays like shit, and companies can not hire you because they don’t like that you’re not Japanese with no legal or social protections to aide you. Even shit jobs have social requirements. That’s really the biggest problem.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
These days even the white folk are stuck in shit jobs because everyone and their mom wants to live in Japan. You need more than just a bachelor’s in whatever to make it long term.
Granted it’s probably still more difficult for non white or Asian people, but I wasn’t really taliking about long term prospects. Even still, it’s way easier to immigrate if you get married than somewhere like the US.
Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 4 days ago
The birth rate discussion is mostly centered around “can we continue making money?”
Japan and Korea have low immigration rates, so the population falls and capital is unhappy about the prospect of a shrinking and more elderly workforce and domestic market to sell things to. Italy on the other hand has subsaharan and arabic immigration (and the actually larger eastern European and Chinese immigration - but they’re not as fantasy inducing for the far-right), so the population decline isn’t as fast. There are more workers to replace the dying ones, and capital is happy. Plus, you can use this fact to fuel chud paranoia about “the great replacement”
Immigrants are seen as a tool everywhere. Right wingers want us, only as long as we become loyal servants with 0 political power and living in fear of the state and society’s iron fist. Liberals want us, because “who will clean the toilets?”.
And the fact that something is happening to cause people to consider reproducing as outright harmful to their well-being among people who would otherwise have wanted offspring is a crisis of bourgeois society that few people actually want to talk about.