But fossil fuel companies don’t want energy storage, right?
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amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
more greenwashing from the fossil fuels industry
kalkulat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 1 month ago
They don’t want working energy storage. That’s why there are so many fairy dust projects like nuclear fusion.
And on the other hand, there are well-proven established techniques like heat pumps, OV panels, Lithium batteries, and saisonal heat storage. Which should be built and used at a large scale because they work - but aren’t.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
sure they do, why do you think they’re buying lithium mines? they love mining resources because it encourages the “infinite growth” feedback loop to keep going
kalkulat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
For 30 years I watched the fossils downplaying, lying about, covering-up the facts about free solar energy and other green tech. Now they see the writing on the wall, and they’re buying because that’s the way the wind blows … because They’re rapacious assholes, and never have enough money. They started in the US cutting down all the ancient forests, they’ll rape whatever looks like dollars.
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 1 month ago
And wave power, which can complement wind and solar power.
Look up [the Pelamis wave power plant[(m.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-SXFtPYe0&pp=ygU1cGVsYW1p…). Bought by E.ON , a fossil company. Then, E.ON killed the project.
Now, the Chinese have copied it and are building it. What a grim joke.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Thats not what this is regardless of what you’d personally like it to be.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
As per Energy Dome
these people are straight-up lying, how can CO2 be “eco-friendly” when all its industrial extraction processes involve fossil fuels as a source? notice how they didn’t mention who their gas supplier is? that’s because it would out them and their lies.
it’s impossible to buy gas turbines without ultimately funding the fossil fuel giants. also let’s not ignore the environmental catastrophe that would happen if these were deployed en masse and a corruption scandal like the Beirut port explosion happened.
it’s also not lost on me that this company is willing to contract with Xinjiang companies, despite the genocide that China is comitting there.
it’s concerning whenever Google gets excited about a new energy solution because we all know how they treat the environment around their data centers. if deployed, they’d use the hot breath bubbles to excuse their seemingly infinite energy consumption increase in order to keep the AI bubble from popping. this is carbon credits all over again, they’ll use the CO2 to deploy more methane gas turbines because these would “cancel them out”.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You understand this isnt about a new way to generate electricity right? This is about a new way to store it. The CO2 is in a CLOSED LOOP system meaning its not going to be leaching into the atmosphere. The issue with many renewables is they can’t operate well in swings. Thats why electricity price is constantly fluctuating, because the demand is. So a sustainable way to store renewable generated energy will be able to accommodate those swings in demand in a way plain solar panels/wind/hydro alone can’t. The CO2 is likely harvested directly from the atmosphere. Once the battery has X amount of CO2 it no longer needs more because again, its a closed loop.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 month ago
What makes you think that? I just did a little googling and didn’t find a source that commercial co2 comes from the air. The best case scenario I found was it being a byproduct of other processes. Although I’m doing this on my phone so maybe I missed something.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
yeah, sure thing buddy. the CO2 will be in a closed loop until it won’t. just like Fukushima and Chernobyl were supposed to be closed loop systems, until they weren’t. disasters happen, no matter how much the techbro mindset insists that they’re impossible.
LMAO, the audacity of telling me I don’t know how electricity generation works when you don’t even know how to read. they’re using industrial CO2 derived from fossil fuels
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What’s your plan that doesn’t utilize the existing fossil fuel industry at all to go cold turkey on oil and full throttle on renewable?
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
subsidize energy storage solutions that aren’t as economically profitable as fossil fuels. like thermal batteries, pumped hydro, etc.
most people don’t need that much energy during the night, so that is a red herring from the energy companies. the reason why we need this much storage in the first place is because of the infinite growth mindset instead of making industrialists pay for their own shit when they’re consuming energy in a race to the bottom. if we banned all the slop products from being made, energy demand would go down exponentially.
in a worst case scenario, we could 100% only rely on renewables and deal with the fact that we’ll have power outages during sleeping hours. that pill would be much easier to swallow if everyone is sharing the same burden, like during the lockdowns. and for the disabled people that need electricity to stay alive, give them refurbished EV batteries for free, there’s already more of them on the market than we could use in a lifetime. same thing for hospitals and essential institutions
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nuclear, in the 1970s. We should have had molten salt reactors worldwide by the 1990s, but the US just sat on the tech, because of permit issues. If I could, I would take all the research that was done on MSRs by the end of the 1970s to then Captain Rickover in 1950.