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Comment on The war on privacy and encryption goes on. This time in the UK. Under the “Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill”, lawmakers now want client-side scanning on every phone and tablet.

Lojcs@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Can we take an ‘industry regulates itself’ approach to this? Make a foss csam hash scanner and include it in aosp. When they try to pass these show them that it already exists. That way we at least have some transparency to what it does

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_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Yeah, because traditionally corporations have been good at regulating themselves, and we all know that they never sell access to private information of individuals to their governments.

On top of that, your idea would never work because they want a tamper-proof system, which would require Google having total control over the implementation, which would not work since multiple projects like GrapheneOS strip google entirely out of Android.

Furthermore, this is just a slippery slope to even worse invasions of privacy, and if your idea was implemented it wouldn’t be long before they insisted on even deeper intrusions, justifying it as being incremental on the access they already had.

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- Lojcs@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  As far as I know self regulation by media industries implementing age labels prevented these kinds of “think of the children” bills before. No idea where you got the corporations having private information from, the entire idea is that it would be open source so we can know that it’s not doing anything shady.
  
  Politicians pushing for these bills don’t care about the excuse they present, but the reason they can repeatedly use the same excuse is because it is a legitimate concern for people. I don’t think digging our heels in to refuse a solution even if it were to align with our stated principle of preserving privacy helps us in the public consciousness.
  
  even worse invasions of privacy
  
  “worse” isn’t accurate as the entire point is that it would be designed to be non-invasive (for people who don’t have csam anyways). Of course they’ll keep trying to invade our privacy but with the example of a solution that doesn’t use mass surveillance for something they tried to push surveillance for, they’ll have less leg to stand on.
  
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  - _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    the entire idea is that it would be open source so we can know that it’s not doing anything shady.
    
    Any relevant device supplied for use in the UK must have installed tamper-proof system software
    
    The bill also seeks “Action to prohibit the provision of VPN services to children in the United Kingdom” and wants “all regulated user-to-user services to use highly-effective age assurance measures to prevent children under the age of 16 from becoming or being users.”
    
    This will effectively ban end-to-end encrypted communication and open source operating systems like GrapheneOS and forbid that people have administrator rights on their own devices.
    
    tell me you didn’t read the linked info without telling me you didn’t read it.
    
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    Lojcs@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What made you think I was proposing a scheme compliant with the bill? I repeatedly said that this would be to prevent such a bill from passing. And explained my reasoning why it would do so.
    
    To make it doubly clear: I don’t support what they’re trying to do. I just think it could do us good to address any legitimate concerns they use as excuses to implement surveillance ourselves so it’s harder to use them as excuses.
    
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