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DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Telorand@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This. All of this. It's fine if the goal is to let the active communities bubble to the top organically, but that doesn't mean much if people can't easily find them.

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Have them all in like a tag system. So I can see all subs related to technology, etc.

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  • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    !trendingcommunities@feddit.nl

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• Kichae@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  community discoverability, [...], and moderation tools

  Those are big. But so is the lack of smooth interoperability with Mastodon. There's a large population using Mastodon right now that could be participating in threaded discussions here, who are just totally blind to the space, and those that do engage have a super jankey experience.

  And on top of that, it's also a super jankey experience on the Lemmy end when Mastodon users engage.

  Hopefully things get better on that front once Mastodon has implemented groups.

  not being able to group communities together

  I honestly see this being a continued expectation to be a bigger issue. Two communities with the same name on different servers could be very different spaces. Giving users the ability to group them together homogenizes them in a way that is likely bad for the ecosystem overall.

  Like, it's fine to have federated or merged communities, but I think that power needs to be in mods and/or admins hands, not end users.

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  • DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I honestly see this being a continued expectation to be a bigger issue. Two communities with the same name on different servers could be very different spaces. Giving users the ability to group them together homogenizes them in a way that is likely bad for the ecosystem overall.

    I see the issue, but I still see the tradeoff as being worth it. Right now, if I want to browse technology commies I have to click into each one I’m subbed to. This means I’m going to go the to biggest one first, then second biggest, and so forth. This pretty much favors the big commies over the small ones because this is just annoying to the end user. Grouping gives those smaller ones a better chance of appearing in someone’s feed thus spreading out activity over a larger part of the lemmy fediverse.

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    • Kichae@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I guess, but it also puts a lot of pressure on those small ones to be indistinguishable from the big ones, by having people treating them like they're the same place.

      I don't think Lemmy scales the same way that Mastodon does. I don't think this topic-based community forum model translates to federation the same way the individual-based microblogging space does. It's a more complex space, with more layers to manage. It's often mode or admin driven, whereas microblogs are entirely about average user behaviour.

      I don't think it replicates Reddit the same way that it replicates Twitter. I think the mental model just doesn't fit the tech.

      Like, yeah, letting users make personalized community lists is one thing, and I get the appeal, but it ends up functioning very differently in a space where multiple communities can have the same handle, you know? I can lump 5 different gaming subreddits together into a single stream, and be totally and intuitively aware that they're different. They have different names, and they present differently, with different stylings, when you actually click through to a post. Without those signals, though, empowering users to lump communities together only has benefits to smaller communities if those communities are looking to grow for growth's sake.

      Mastodon has done a great disservice to its admins and users by trying to mask the federated nature of the fediverse. By trying to sell 'Mastodon' as a space in and of itself. By trying to make the actual website you're using invisible. I don't think we benefit from that in any way. Indeed, I think it's only the platform developers who benefit, by making their product the only thing people really see. But the individual websites that make up these networks of social networks are entities in and of themselves. They're like neighbourhoods, or towns. They have their own infrastructure, their own residents, their own characters, and their own needs. Treating them as interchangeable or invisible, ultimately, I feel, stymies the actual potential of the space.

      Because this isn't Reddit. It doesn't work like Reddit. It can't try to be "Reddit, but ____", because it fails at the first word. The way forward is in recognizing that, and trying to figure out what this new space really is.

      And one of the things it is is not one space.

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  • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s a large population using Mastodon right now that could be participating in threaded discussions here, who are just totally blind to the space, and those that do engage have a super jankey experience.

    I sometimes post to Lemmy communities from Firefish, and have Mastodon users replying. The interaction seems okay, there are a few improvements points but not so bad overall.

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