Comment on How did far-west era US dealt with "Male loneliness"
glimse@lemmy.world 20 hours agoIronically, dismissing it as just an incel thing is EXACTLY the problem. It’s not about women at all, it’s about friendship. And the social norm predates the internet, social media just exacerbated it (and for many women, too)
It can be hard for guys to make friends when they’ve lived their whole life in a “just man up” environment. I didn’t grow up in one of those and I still struggle to be vulnerable around my friends. I’m not an incel, it was just never taught to me so I had to figure it out myself.
The point of talking about the male loneliness epidemic is not to complain but to retire that type of male culture. Encourage men to be there for each other, put themselves out there, meet people and make friends.
Everybody understands that men have issues. The problem is that the people promoting this use it as a stalking horse to oppose feminism.
Because that’s what they believe. The male loneliness epidemic, to them is explained by female autonomy and civil rights. Most of them won’t come right out and say this, so they bitch about suicide rates and the draft instead.
You’re conflating things here. Terminally-online incels are often racist, would you say racism is nothing but a construct of the incel social media?
I do agree that it gets weaponized by grifters and misinterpreted by many more but you are contributing to the problem by acting like it’s an idea spawned from bitter dudes online or that it’s an idea inseparable from misogyny.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
The so called male loneliness epidemic isn’t a thing. It is a social media construct that has been weaponized by Incels to justify thier shitty world views.
glimse@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Ok you seem like an expert on this so I’ll just trust you that there is not an aspect of popular male culture that makes many men lonely. It’s just social media incels.
The average adult man definitely socializes just as much as the average man. You’ve found that old guys have as many friends as old women in your research, right? There haven’t been studies about this going back decades or anything - it’s all incels on social media. My bad.