Comment on Israel’s IDF Bans Android Phones—iPhones Now ‘Mandatory’

• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes, you know the Dunning Kruger effect which states that if someone admits to not knowing everything, that shows weakness. Whereas someone claiming to know it all? Well they’re clearly omnipotent.

  Iphones are trash. Zero reason to believe they’re more secure, and I doubt you’ll convince anyone otherwise. The commenter you claim not to see made a good point. Israel banned Android phones because they want to reliably spy on the IDF to prevent leaks. Not to help the IDF keep their data secure lol

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  • scytale@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But the article is specifically saying they are forcing iphones because they are more locked down and less susceptible to compromise. And yes, we don’t know if they’re lying. However, the commenter just linked an unrelated article about celebrite’s claim about cracking an iphone. That doesn’t mean they are connected, and that doesn’t mean Android isn’t less compromisible. I’ve taken some device forensics classes albeit not as deep into smartphones like the person you’re arguing with, but I do think they have some merit with their argument.

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    • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re also saying this is only for official use, so they should have access to the devices via MDM.

      This doesn’t ban personal devices being Android.

      The person who is arguing with me is just on an anti Apple knee jerk

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      • scytale@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If anything, MDM will be harder to break on a (non-jailbroken) iphone vs android. So it will technically be harder for someone to block any spying. So in that scenario, both sides of the argument you are in come out right. lol

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My point is that I don’t think apple is more secure. They’re probably similar but given apple wants me to believe they are super secure and private, they probably are telling me that for a self serving reason which needs to be said because it specifically is not true. I see no reason to believe them at all. I definitely disagree with you about not knowing if the Israeli government is lying. Pretty safe to say at this point that if they find something important enough to state, it’s almost always going to be a lie.

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      • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t think

        The point being made counter to you is that your feelings don’t negate security research. You’ve already claimed you have no practical knowledge, no experience, all you’ve done is read some stuff but what you linked to refute me was nearly 7 years old information that was lauded back then in the community.

        You don’t like apple, that’s apparent. What actual claims do you have beyond you don’t like apple?

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      • scytale@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mentioned this in another comment, but if in this case the phones are going to be officially issued by the military, then they likely have MDM on them. At that point, it doesn’t really matter anymore what OS you use, they will see everything. No backdoors needed. And it might actually be harder to break MDM monitoring on an iphone vs android, so both sides of the argument you’re in come out as correct.

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  • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My dude I’m not interested in attempting to have an informed conversation with someone who isn’t informed.

    The sunning Kruger effect isn’t when someone who knows what they’re talking about has to refute baseless claims.

    Take care, enjoy your vitriol and contempt. You’ve earned it

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The apple cult is the second strongest brainwashing campaign of my lifetime. You enjoy that, and I’ll continue shifting to whatever option seems better as time moves forward. Apple will never change for the better, so I can pretty safely say there’s only one known direction I’ll never move in. You enjoy your shitty walled garden of lies.

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      • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s always fun watching people like you make such hard and fast claims after saying they aren’t being a tribalist.

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      • favoredponcho@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Your comments are embarrassing for you. Go get informed on mobile security. Cellebrite is well known for providing governments with tools to hack mobile OSes. Posting an article from 6 years ago shows how ill-informed you are on the topic. At least go find the most up to date information.

        As someone in tech myself, I’d rather have an iPhone than the average Android phone from a security perspective. If you really care about security and are willing to make some trade offs, use GrapheneOS.

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  • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My dude this for official use, they ought to already have MDM on official devices. Thats like saying they want them using a specific phone so they can read the email they administer separately.

    I think you’re woefully misunderstanding

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