Yeah, I was downvoted to hell in a copyright thread for suggesting that my work had worth and that I wasn’t just freely handing it over to the general public. Sounds like a bunch of 12 year olds that have never created a fucking thing in their life except for some artistic skidmarks in their underwear. These kids have a lot to learn about life.
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Laticauda@lemmy.ca 1 year agoLemmy’s opinion on the topic is often very biased towards the views of tech bros rather than writers/creators, at least that’s what I’ve observed. Tech bros have a boner for LLM AIs. They don’t have anything to lose from the development of these AIs, so they don’t seem to understand the concerns of people who do.
damndotcommie@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 year ago
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 year ago
Look at any discussion around Sync for Lemmy and you’ll get the same thing. Oh a developer created an app that is a flawless experience so far and looks great, and he wants 20 bucks for it? Burn him at the stake!
I’m all for FOSS and stuff but people here lean more entitled than they do “free and open”.
McScience@discuss.online 1 year ago
Yeah. I write software for a living and I use open source stuff extensively. I contribute sometimes to open source projects, but not everything can be open source or I’ll be back to flipping burgers.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Personally I write for free, simply because of the joy of it, and what I heard that Google was using people’s Google Drives is free training for their bots, I pulled everything. Not because I want to make a buck, but because Google sure as hell was going to make a buck off of my work without paying me a dime. It’s a little known as principle.
Neve8028@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Tech bros have a boner for LLM AIs. They don’t have anything to lose from the development of these AIs, so they don’t seem to understand the concerns of people who do.
On top of this, it’s becoming increasingly clear that many tech bros have never been genuinely moved by a piece of art whether it’s visual or written so they genuinely don’t understand that AI art is devoid of any real emotional impact. AI art just throws together cliches. It reminds me of that shitty AI generated conversation between Plato and Bill Gates when were so many tech bros talking about how “inspiring” it was.
Don’t get me wrong, I love these AI tools coming out but they’re so over hyped sometimes.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 year ago
The standard for all tech. At the beginning of this I remember them telling me that it was all a new age. Yeah, I’ve been through a few of those now. My favorites were driverless cars and crypto, the same bros told me the same things back then too. Truth is we’ll get a few new really cool things, society will get a bit worse for it, and then we’ll find a new shiny thing.
LLMs and AI aren’t even new, I studied about them in college. 10 years ago. It’s just that we have faster hardware that can finally support them.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
LLMs and AI aren’t even new, I studied about them in college. 10 years ago. It’s just that we have faster hardware that can finally support them.
This theoretical sci-fi stuff from barely a decade ago is now real enough to threaten entire industries. Yawn, am I right?
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Disagreement isn’t lack of understanding. Some of us are opposed to copyright, entirely. I’m personally not. But: this is not what copyright exists to protect against. And the more it feeds on, the less it resembles any specific work.
Fuck all the replies calling people unfeeling worthless robots over this. Miserable dehumanizing hypocrites.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Personally I think the copyright system should be abolished entirely, alongside capitalism, but I am radical like that
ArthurParkerhouse@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I just find “intellectual property” copyright to be completely unethical.
bermuda@beehaw.org 1 year ago
In another thread I saw today somebody said the best way to learn how to make an Android app was to buy chatgpt. That was their advice…
Laticauda@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The number of people I’ve seen who think Chatgpt is some sort of authority or reliable source of information is genuinely concerning.
bermuda@beehaw.org 1 year ago
Exactly. It’s called “chat” for a reason. Not wikipediagpt
cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This has been a surprise for me. I see this community as pro privacy, anti big tech, and anti capitalism. AI seems like a hot button issue at the confluence of all three, and yet comments suggest many have rose tinted glasses for tech companies with LLMs.
jpeps@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To pile onto that, I was recently disturbed to find I was the dissenting voice in a comment thread by saying that we should not use AI to produce generated CSAM. The top comment defended the idea.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It is impossible to generate CSAM.
That’s the entire goddamn point of calling it CSAM. To stop people mislabeling drawings as CP, when they don’t understand that Bart Simpson doesn’t have the same moral standing as a real human child.
Laticauda@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
To be fair, regardless of where you stand on the topic, there is a big difference between a drawing of a child, and a photo realistic recreation of a child that would be indistinguishable from real csam. Particularly if ai was used to make these images in the likeness of real children, which I guarantee many people who consume that sort of stuff would do.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
And you’re surprised this correlates against letting authors control information for money?
The software-freedom crowd just wants OpenAI’s models published, so no single company gets to limit access to the distilled essence of all public knowledge. Being against “big tech” has never meant being against… tech. We’re not Amish. We’re open-source diehards. Sometimes that comes through as declaring a vendetta against intellectual property, as a concept. No kidding those folks aren’t lining up behind GRRM, when he declares a robot’s not allowed to learn English from his lengthy and well-known books.
cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
My comment addresses my perception of Lemmy users, not the open source community. These two groups are not the same as is evidenced by the frequent complaints on the front page about open source gatekeeping and quantity of open source topics.
Let me add, I’m also a long time user and contributor of/to open source and free software. I think it’s not correct to assume we’re a single group that all share the same opinion. Best, cloudy1999
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
These two groups massively overlap, as evidenced by the quantity of open source topics to be complained about.
You don’t get to hand-wave about a group of people, based on their opinions on this subject, and then complain about someone addressing your summary on its merits.