Comment on Today The UK Parliament Undermined The Privacy, Security, And Freedom Of All Internet Users

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sites and services outside the UK should not comply. If UK ISPs block sites outside the UK for not complying, so be it.

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  • WHYAREWEALLCAPS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nah, I think global sites should just block access from the UK. Let’s see how the politicians like it when facebook, etc, stop working.

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  • orclev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ultimately the problem is that extradition treaties are a thing. While it’s one thing for a company to ignore a law in a country they don’t “operate” in, if you provide services in that country, you are technically subject to its laws, and if they decide to force the situation you could find yourself arrested in your home country and sent to face trial or even serve a prison sentence in another country. Technically your home country could refuse to extradite you, but that has all kinds of political ramifications and so unless you’re someone very powerful in your home country it’s unlikely the state will step in in your favor. The safest bet is simply to block all access from a specific country, and then if pressed you can simply say “we did our best to prevent access from your country and do not provide service there, anyone accessing our service from that country is circumventing our restrictions and there’s nothing we can do about that”, which is probably good enough to torpedo any case against you.

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    • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve never ONCE heard of someone being extradited FROM their home country. I know for a fact there’s strong precedent of refusals.

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      • orclev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So, I went and did some research and while some countries do exempt their own citizens from extradition the US and the UK are not one of the ones those apply to. In the event that a country does block extradition of their own citizens they typically will try the person in their own courts instead. However while looking into this I found something else out about extradition I didn’t know, which is that most extradition treaties require that the offense committed has to be a crime in both jurisdictions, so it wouldn’t apply in this case anyway. There are also exemptions for “political crimes” although that’s a rather vague term, and once again doesn’t apply in this particular case. Lastly it seems like most extradition treaties only apply to crimes that carry a minimum 1 year jail sentence, so you’re not getting extradited for littering or something like that.

        The interesting bit I learned is that there are generally two kinds of extradition treaties. One kind lists a specific subset of crimes that the treaty applies to. In theory, you wouldn’t need both countries to consider the act a crime in that case, as a country could request an extradition treaty for something the other country doesn’t consider a crime, but the odds of the other country agreeing to such a treaty are pretty slim. The other kind of treaty is what most countries currently use which is an agreement that for things both countries consider to be a crime, if the offense occurred in another country then the accused will be extradited to that jurisdiction for prosecution.

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• angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’d hate to suggest that, but it’d set an example.

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