Comment on People who say 'the rich get richer, the lazy live for free, and the middle class pays for it all' don't realize how expensive it is to be rich and how close middle class is to being below the poverty line.

• SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Fine, let’s play your game

  A mayor from almost 100 years ago is irrelevant to this discussion. I don’t know about you, but I was talking about contemporary times here

  Is this really how you wanna discuss?

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  • DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    First, now you’re trying to move the goal posts. If you didn’t know who LaGuardia was you should have mentioned it right away.

    Second, let’s jump to your latest comment and start from there.

    If LaGuardia is irrelevant to the current situation, why is Marx relevant? He’s been dead longer than Fiorello.

    You’re the one demanding we use antique terms, and chastising me for trying to update them.

    Finally, everything you’ve posted has proved my first point, that there are people on the Left who will argue and argue instead of trying to build consensus

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    • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      And so, okay, instead of discussing like this, or rather arguing, I want us to take a step back and ask, “what is it that we’re actually trying to achieve here?”

      Is the goal to “win” the argument? Is the goal to look at a different perspective? This isn’t a debate club, there is nothing to gain here, except our personal knowledge or understanding of something

      And so, on that note, you said how this is exactly how leftists shoot themselves in the foot with arguments like this, but like, who is trying to argue here? And for whom? As far as I can tell, you are the one trying to win some argument, I’m just trying to have a discussion about terms in a, presumably, left-leaning environment where we’re all already roughly on the same page. From an external point of view, what people see is you mostly going off on others

      When you say I’m chastising you, that’s literally your imagination, it’s not what I’m trying to do at all. So please don’t put words in my mouth, okay?

      The point others were trying to make, is that it’s useful to talk about the working vs the owning class. And I further tried to get across that it’s useful to have this sort of knowledge, and that using terms loosely isn’t helpful for one’s understanding of a topic. This is something that I speak from personal experience. It’s basically just an argument for political literacy

      But if I didn’t get that across properly, then I apologize. I could have spent a bit more time explaining myself

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      • DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Let’s take it back to the beginning.

        Someone said that I should have used the term ‘working class’ instead of ‘middle class.’

        I said that was pointless hairsplitting and a waste of time.

        And now, apparently, you’ve decided I was correct and it is pointless hairsplitting.

        Did I miss anything?

        Also, for those who actually would like to learn something, here’s a link to LaGuardia’s wiki.

        LaGuardia was so good that even the author of ‘Starship Troopers’ praised the [his words] “Socialist Mayor.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiorello_La_Guardia

        https://youtu.be/Plo6MfbgcsE?list=PLcvFO4lyuy_sW_3kEqdpK7mhdSKJ7NBUw

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