Comment on The crusade against Lemmy devs, lemmy.ml, and so-called "tankies"

• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Not a single source in the whole thing is the first thing wrong.

  most of their population received an education mainly about loving the regime.

  Hey, me too!

  Their elections are not secret ballot at all, are just approve or disapprove, and I’m certain using the dissent box has implications.

  Interesting! You’re “certain,” are you? Where does that “certainty” come from, exactly? Evidence? Or does it just “feel true” to you, based on vibes? Does it just have that certain quality of “truthiness,” to it?

  They’re vastly poorer than their southern neighbors despite being indistinguishable at the time of the Korean War.

  The Korean War was far more devastating to the north than the south. But that’s not especially relevant, in fact, the north recovered and did rather well for itself. However, it’s economy was closely tied to the USSR, and when it collapsed the DPRK became both economically and diplomatically isolated.

  Any country that’s cut off from global trade is pretty much condemned to poverty. This is a big part of why Vietnam introduced reforms that would make it more amenable to the West, and likewise with China. But of course, you hate them too, despite taking a different direction and being more successful, don’t you?

  Meanwhile, their leadership lives in luxury.

  Do they? Do you have a source?

  Oh yeah, and they regularly threaten to burn down cities elsewhere with everyone inside if they don’t get their way.

  Oh yes, they’re so aggressive and threatening! Let’s just ignore the part where the largest military exercises in the world are conducted by the US on the border, a recreation of the time they invaded and slaughtered a bunch of them and dropped chemical weapons everywhere.

  But no, the US, with the largest military force in the world, larger than the next 9 countries combined, that has been in a constant state of war all across the world, installing fascist puppet regimes, that US, needs to live in terror of this tiny poor country an ocean away. Very rational and sane.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No sources, because it’s a quick reply made up of what a lawyer would call “common knowledge”.

    Hey, me too!

    You write well for someone with minimal education. Now who’s lying?

    Interesting! You’re “certain,” are you? Where does that “certainty” come from, exactly? Evidence? Or does it just “feel true” to you, based on vibes? Does it just have that certain quality of “truthiness,” to it? Does “feeling a different vibe than you” make someone a “conspiracy theorist?”

    Gonna gloss over the things verifiably in the picture, as opposed to just obvious?

    This is why I’m rationing my time.

    Any country that’s cut off from global trade is pretty much condemned to poverty.

    Why? I don’t think that’s universally true. Nor do I think it wasn’t self-inflicted here - anything to keep the peasants from rising up.

    Do they? Do you have a source?

    Here you go. I’d go with HuffPost, but there’s a paywall.

    Here’s a picture of him with the source, who definitely wouldn’t take my call:

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    There’s enough elite defectors to paint a pretty good picture as well. It’s less a normal dictatorship, and more a resource colony for people who spend a lot of time in China or on private islands, at this point.

    Also, does Kim Jung Un look malnourished? The malnutrition being another thing you just ignored.

    This is a big part of why Vietnam introduced reforms that would make it more amenable to the West, and likewise with China. But of course, you hate them too, despite taking a different direction and being more successful, don’t you?

    Hate’s a strong word. China’s a nationalist autocratic bully, but the US is going in that direction too now, and most historical nations that can be, are. Even the genocide is hardly unique.

    They’re higher on the shitlist than Iceland, though.

    [Rant about the US]

    Cool. North Korea still sucks.

    I think that’s enough for today.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Let’s start with the most revealing thing you said:

      The malnutrition being another thing you just ignored.

      You asked if there was anything you said that I disputed. Now you’re complaining that I “ignored” some of your points. Why? That just means that I didn’t see anything to dispute. Usually, I don’t take issue with people, you know, not disagreeing with me.

      But you do. Why? Because, even after I called you out for it and insisted that we argue based on what I actually say, you’re still trying to argue against this strawman invented in your little liberal gossip circles I’m supposed to give a shit about - that I think the DPRK is “great.” All I said is that I will refute misinformation about it. Are you telling me that what you said was misinformation? Is that why you’re upset I didn’t disagree with it?

      Honestly, I should have pressed you for a source on that, but I know how anti-intellectual y’all are and how averse you are to providing sources, how you see yourselves as better than everyone and act like everyone should believe whatever you say, just because you said it, and I decided not to twist your arm about it.

      Next, let’s move on to the most infuriating thing you said:

      You write well for someone with minimal education. Now who’s lying?

      Only a KKKlanadian could manage to say something so arrogant, condescending, and chauvinistic while phrasing it to almost sound like a compliment. Please just call me a slur.

      You don’t know shit about my upbringing or educational experiences. You know who else wrote well? Fredrick Douglass. I guess that means that fucking slavery wasn’t that much of an impediment to the education of the victims, if one of them managed to write as well as Douglass. No need for black colleges!

      You’ve just defended and endorsed the worst schools in the worst parts of the US, because you’re so confident that I’m “lying” despite not knowing where I went to school. You don’t even know when it was!

      One of my earliest childhood memories is dressing up as the “great hero” Robert E. Lee to give a presentation on the Civil War, or as we called it, “The War Between the States,” or, if we were feeling cheeky, “The War of Northern Aggression.” But that’s A-OK with you! I’m a “liar” for saying it was bad!

      [Rant about the US]

      Cool. North Korea still sucks.

      Yeah, the difference is that one of those countries threatened to annex your country and has also abducted random people off the street to perform fucked up mind control experiments on, and the other one is the one you’re obsessed with.

      You wanna know what I actually think about Korea? I don’t. I don’t give a shit about it. They haven’t done shit to me so I don’t wanna do shit to them. But you libs are so far up your own asses that you think you’re on some “civilizing mission” where they need white people to come in and teach them about freedom and democracy (which in practice always seems to look like dropping agent orange on their mothers and then stealing all their resources). And you hate me and have to purity test everyone and interrogate their views on Korea because if they’re not on board with your colonialism, it means they’re a race traitor, and that just drives you up the wall, doesn’t it?

      Yeah, you don’t wanna stick to what I say, I won’t stick to what you say, US simp.

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