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nuko147@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Me after using the KDE: how the fuck Linux is better Windows than Windows?
They were supposed to focus on window managing, ITS IN THEIR FUCKING NAME. Instead you need extra things like Powertoys for basic functions that KDE has integrated.
Yus!
That was so my take too, in 2003.
I switched because of WinXP, that insane bloater chewing up resources I could have been using for my art tools if not for their squander on pointless shiny.
So then, in SuSe, with KDE, it had even better shiny, useful shiny, not pointless, and it didnt run 10x slower than 95/98/NT/2000, like XP did, but instead ran 10x faster!
There was no going back to being abused by M$ after seeing that.
If we had fast windowing systems back then, why is modern KDE slower than XP?
KDE4. Plasma. The fattiest FOSS has to offer.
Worth looking at Trinity (KDE3 fork/continuation).
XFCE looks like it’s trying to go from lightweight to fattiest some upgrades too. Still, very elegant, and you wont notice that on new beefy hardware. But on ancientware, … best stick to LXDE, or even just openbox, or any other window manager, pretty much.
IceWM, calls itself a window manager, but it seems to cover all the main basics for a desktop environment feel.
There still be places to go to get the light, fast and shiny in FOSS, even if KDE went nuts around 15 years ago (whenever KDE4 was).
Didn’t KDE fix many of its mistakes from version 4? We’re on KDE 6 now.
Honestly W11 window management by default is better than KDE right now.
This was true for W10, but not any more.
KDE window outline defaults (don’t have a generic name for setting up the snap zones) take way more effort to set up than the windows version.
I don’t think requiring powertoys for extra features matters that much because its supported by the same company. In my opinion, when having something not default truly sucks is when its third party and is finicky and fickle because it requires developers developing vs a moving target.
When its an internal team, they have much more knowledge about how that target will be moving.
Anyhow, that is to say, I think KDE is great, and completely competent, and I love the level of customizability by default, but it certainly has many flaws. Of course its biggest flaw is not its own fault, but that of the catch 22 situation needed to gain critical mass, and the average linux proselytizer doing everything in their power to ensure people don’t want to try linux by somehow imagining themselves to be the every user, and constantly doing that annoying thing where they both say linux is powerful, and that the faults dont matter because the average user doesn’t use any of said powerful features.
in 2 decades of using KDE from time to time, the biggest flaw (besides how they released KDE4 way too early and distros picked it up), is how it’s never perfect. fix one bug, add another. add a new feature, break an old feature. always feels like there’s just one little irk hiding somewhere.
Having to install powetoys on top of the OS makes it DOA for many on corporate environments. You get stuck on approval limbo or if someone else went through the pain, you discover it breaks every once in a while due to missing .net dependencies that you don’t have the right to install. I’ve seen this for both development (w10 w/ extended support) and thin clients (w11).
Unfortunately our clients all use Windows development machines, so we are stuck on the same to be able to write the guides and documentation. Most of our scripts now rely on Got bash since we know that’s available. MS environments are hostile to proper scripting and automation.
Oh yeah? Can you pin windows? Can you have windows always under the others or above them? Can you manage the buttons in the top ribbon? And dont even start with custom layout or the magnetic attach of windows in KDE.
I didn’t download powertoys for fun. I needed a feature the windows did not have build in. After using KDE, even powertoys look basic to me.
I couldn’t use Windows without PowerToys ever again. BTW FancyZones is really good for Windows IMO, and it’s more work but I can mostly get what I want in KDE using KZones Kwin script. The other KDE window management benefits are a different story.
After using KDE, even powertoys look basic to me.
I think this is quite a bit exaggerated no? KDE lacks many of the tools Powertoys adds like the OCR, advanced clipboard, colour picker and more.
Also, yes, pinning windows on top exists.
kde has a builtin dedicated color picker. the clipboard does not have those features by default, but the clipboard history supports defining actions for the right clipboard content pattern, so it’s possible to do that and more
I am comparing KDE with windows 11 in window managing. Powertoys has many tools but for window managing only the pin to top and fancy zones count. Pin windows only exist with Powertoys, not stock windows 11.
Heh, could play that game all day.
The biggie, can you fork it, can you mend it, etc. Free Software ftw.
KDE is the best desktop environment I’ve ever had the pleasure of using. So much better than Windows at everything I want out of my desktop!
I still like Cinnamon better. To quote Jeremy Clarkson, “This is brilliant, but I like this.”
What does Cinnamon have that makes you like it over something like KDE?
I’ve often compared Gnome, KDE and Cinnamon, and it usually boils down to KDE is often too complicated and busy, Gnome is often too simple and braindead, Cinnamon sits somewhere in the middle.
Gnome’s settings menu is missing a lot of things you’d think should be there. They don’t want you changing things, so you end up installing separate packages like gnome-tweaks to actually render the OS usable. They’ve got this weird attitude that they’re going to out-Apple Apple with a millionth of Apple’s budget, and where Apple offers “Just Works”, Gnome offers “Barely Does Anything.”
KDE has the opposite problem, they’ve got a setting for literally everything, if you can find it in their overgrown single settings menu. A basic applet will have several tabs crammed full of options and UI elements, making it probably the best tool for whatever mundane task it was meant for but you have to stop and figure out how it works, and it’s all rendered in janky misaligned QT so it looks like an amateur reskinned Windows 98.
Cinnamon inherits a lot from Gnome, but puts back in the shit Gnome gouged out. I tend to find things where I think to look for them, it tends to provide the functionality I need out of the box without excessive clutter. But, it’s a bit behind the times with stuff like Wayland, so it’s not the best choice for very modern hardware.
AldinTheMage@ttrpg.network 4 months ago
And then power toys shortcuts conflict with the standard shortcuts and requires a ton of fiddling and customizing configs. You know, the thing windows users always say is a reason they don’t want to use linux.