Comment on YSK Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, diplomats, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

• eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Shhh, you’ll interrupt the lib circlsjerk of how they’re the only good ones who commit atrocities, every other atrocity down by others is worse.

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• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Nope, a government has little bearing on a moral & political philosophy. As we can plainly observe, liberalism/libertarianism & authoritarianism are on opposite sides of the ideological map.
  political map with axes left–right & libertarian–authoritarian
  Liberalism is a philosophy whereas liberal democracy is a type of government as was clearly stated:

  Colloquially, democracy refers to liberal democracy, also called Western-style democracy, or substantive democracy: democracy following ideas of liberal political philosophy.

  If anything, all you’re observing is a government depart from a philosophy to become a different type of government. Even so, your claim is off: the US has been protecting inherent human rights & liberties for the most part until Trump.

  Even so, there are other liberal democracies across the globe.

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  • oculi@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    As we can plainly observe, liberalism/libertarianism & authoritarianism are on opposite sides of the ideological map.

    The political compass is incredibly basic and does a horrible job at describing ideologies. Ideology is not just a basic “left wing/right wing, libertarian/authoritarian” %’s, it’s more accurately representable with parameters. It’s as useful as a toy.

    If anything, all you’re observing is a government depart from a philosophy to become a different type of government

    Besides liberalism’s glaring issues, the whole point is that this is the inevitable endpoint of capitalism and by extension, liberalism. If an ideology always ends up in a horrible result as we see in the US and other liberal nations, it’s fair to include that in the criticism of Liberalism.

    your claim is off: the US has been protecting inherent human rights & liberties for the most part in recent history until Trump.

    Jesus fucking christ what? The Indian genocides/reservations? Chattel slavery, and modern slavery through penal labor? The war on terror? The countless coups done by the US that installed fascist dictators? Japanese internment camps? The monroe doctrine? Operation paperclip? Palestine? Literally all of this happened before Trump came into power. What the fuck are you talking about. How is that defending “human rights & liberties” in any way?

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    • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      hey, when obama drone bombed all those arab kids he was really *checks notes* protecting human rights. same with Biden aggressively clamping down on pro-Palestinian peaceful protests by students. I feel like my human rights are defended so hard.

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      • oculi@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        They hate you for your freedoms !! Totally not because of all those bombs

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  • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    there’s a lot wrong with your comment, but let me focus on this part here because there’s only so much stupid I can put up with.

    Even so, your claim is off: the US has been protecting inherent human rights & liberties for the most part in recent history until Trump.

    you’re out of your fucking mind if you think the US has been even remotely protecting human rights. this is nothing more than the most obvious western propaganda bullshit, and even our allies in the rest of the western world would scoff at the idea.

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  • ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    imagine being so illogical that you think that something as complex as all human ideologies can be represented on a 2D plain.
    reality is much more complicated that you can fathom, silly brah

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    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ah, so you reject conventional political science, too? Cool.

      It’s just straightforward definitions & logic: the diagram is there for the slow.

      Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law.

      Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.

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      • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Ah, so you reject conventional political science, too?

        the political compass is not “political science”, you debate nerd. and even if it was, I’d say it’s pretty good odds you’re not a political science major, and you’re just badly regurgitating liberal nonsense you read on the substack for some aide to Nacy Pelosi. what you’ve posted so far is contemptible in how easily it’s debunked even by looking at what the partisan corporate US media shows you, let alone any third party observer to the absolute human rights atrocities the US has been involved in.

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