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Ephesus is not a patriarchal society

Outside of priestesses, it was a patriarchal society. Greece had priestesses too. The existence of a priestess doesn’t make a patriarchal society.

Prohibitions against dressing fancy for women and only women has nothing to do with combatting paganism. Men participated in the cult of Artemis yet Paul said nothing about restricting men. Paul does not mention paganism nor heresy.

Paul did not make those proscription just for Timothy. He said “I”. Your version did not show any mistranslation.

Corinthians also says woman should not speak in church in so it cannot be a special case only for Timothy.

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BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

Maybe changing the context will help you see the problem:

You are doing the libertarian thing and completely and repeatedly ignoring context.

then read your statement again and see the sexism that you defend.

What on earth makes you think I am defending sexism? I am pointing out that sexists deliberately misinterpret this letter — exactly as you are doing — to subjugate women in the here and now, while that is in no way what this letter is about. If you read some of my other comments you will know that I am a militant atheist but I get really pissed when people intentionally misuse these documents as a weapon against others, including myself.

Again “women” is NOT universal in this context. It is “ambitious, entitled, and wealthy Artimisian women of Ephesus”. It is very specific, not universal. I am not sure how to make this more clear since you continue to dismiss that objective fact in favor of a sexist, wildly fallacious modern xtian re-interpretation.

Maybe we have our wires crossed. I am not trying to perform apologetics, but correcting the record for a historical document that academics understand very well, but is nevertheless a holy weapon for ambitious, immoral, political tyrants because people are stupid, ignorant, and uneducated all the things this letter is specifically admonishing against.

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- Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  You are doing the libertarian thing and completely and repeatedly ignoring context. Do you also try to argue “woke DEI is the real racism?”
  
  What the fuck are you talking about?
  
  You have made many wrong statements and I have been very patient with you.
  
  misinterpret this letter — exactly as you are doing — to subjugate women in the here and now,
  
  There is no context that excuses the passages.
  
  Using the Bible to subjugate women in the here and now isn’t the argument at all.
  
  We are talking about the Bible.
  
  correcting the record for a historical document that academics understand
  
  The problem is you haven’t corrected anything! You posted a translation that shows absolutely no difference in sexism from other translations. Your claim it was for only for Timothy is refuted by Corinthians. You claim that that the region of Turkey during the time period of Timothy was a Matriarchy is false. Paul’s writings are inexcusable.
  
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