Comment on gabe³ half-life 3 confirmed

• LwL@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Complaining about the 30% is insanity, that’s how retailers work, it’s not an unusual cut for an online store.

  I fail to see how steam is anti-consumer, or how it ever actively tried to monopolize anything.

  Selling broken, unfinishedband shovelware games was just them giving in to the demand to let everything on the store, after people (rightfully imo) hated greenlight.

  Fuck the gambling though

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  • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Complaining about the 30% is insanity, that’s how retailers work, it’s not an unusual cut for an online store.

    Epic takes 12% and 0% until the game reaches a million. Devs are paid in full for free and giveaways and games on sale.

    Microsoft also only takes 12%

    It’s only standard because Gabe got his greedy hands there first.

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    • LwL@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Physical retailers have been taking 30% before steam was even a thing. And no, the physical storage does not mean they should be paid more, because steam provides hosting capabilities that also cost money.

      Epic takes less because they operate the store at a loss in a desperate attempt to gain market share.

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• vapeloki@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes Steam is a defacto monopoly. But not through the actions of Valve but through the actions of it competitors.

  Valve does not behave like a monopoly, and it takes its money to improve gaming for all.

  I would get it if someone here would be really simping for Gabe. But may I remind you all, this is a shitposting community and this is a meme.

  If not for Valve and their openness towards Linux, Microsoft would long have followed Apple and made a walled garden out of Windows.

  If you want to make sure that gaming is not getting a walled of eco system be Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft, that you need Valve.

  Just look at that release: NO AI bullshit, no walled garden, no vendor locking. No locked bootloader’s, repairability and consumer rights are in the focus.

  If course you can point out that this is a profit oriented company and everything they do, they do to make money. And I would not argue with that.

  But this? What is this? Why?

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  • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes Steam is a defacto monopoly. But not through the actions of Valve but through the actions of it competitors.

    Being honest with you. I didn’t read past this. Because it’s so obvious you’re a young G*mer who has only lived in a Steam world.

    Steam paid for exclusivity with publishers. Getting them to not only pull games from other online stores (because there were a number of stores back in the day before Steam killed them).

    But also to change their physical copies to use Steam as DRM.

    consumer rights are in the focus

    Ok so I skimmed the rest of the comments and had to laugh here. The EU literally had to come out and tell Valve to stop being anti-consumerist cunts. And even now they’re only doing the bare minimum. Jesus Christ you must still be in school.

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    • vapeloki@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok, so answering after reading the first line and the again you are to young you have no ideas.

      Even if I was that young, that is just a stupid line of argument.

      But, considering the fact that I am in IT for over 20 years now, it is just hilarious.

      Just for reference, the first picture with me and a PC on it. Maybe you can calculate my age from this…

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      • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So you’re willingly misremembering to reinforce your brainwashing.

        That’s just plain sad.

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      • Raptorox@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oo a west highland terrier!

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• SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  he didnt monopolise anything. the consumers did. valve does not enforce a monopoly, its just the competition shoots themselves in the foot all the time

  also for the 30% you get a hell of a lot of service as a dev, including but not limited: the biggest storefront in PC gaming servers provided by valve managing of transactions free advertising on mentioned storefront. and thats just a tiny part od what you get.

  and he aint trying to monopolise harware, nothing is preventing you from installing Windows on your steam devices, nor are you limited in peripheral harware choice (like controllers)

  valve aint forcing you to do shit, therefore they aint monopolising anything. the competition just kills itself by providing horrendous service

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  • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    valve does not enforce a monopoly, its just the competition shoots themselves in the foot all the time

    Since you’re clearly too young. I’ll give you a history lesson.

    Twenty years ago. Valve started paying publishers to change their physical games to use Steam. The Disc (because games came on discs back then) were useless without the Steam code.

    They also paid for exclusivity. As there were quite a few digital distribution platforms at the time. IGN even had one.

    free advertising on mentioned storefront

    Aww dude. There’s no free advertising.

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    • vapeloki@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Since you’re clearly too young. I’ll give you a history lesson.

      I am clearly not to young, let me chime in.

      20 years ago, publishers had the full Control. Indie publishing was not possible.

      The big studios controlled what you can play, and on wahr price. They took a big big share of the profits.

      Now, with platform like Steam, self publishing is a thing, and more.

      Yes, of course they tried to get some traction on steam. Epic games, Sony PlayStation, Xbox, all do exclusivity deals!

      Yes, valve takes 30% of every transaction on Steam. Publishers take up to 60% … And so you play games published by auch publishers? Yes? And you don’t feel bad about yourself?

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      • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Twenty years ago, was 2005.

        Cave Story was the year before, Dwarf Fortress was a year out, and Doom was Doom.

        Self publishing was a big thing, shareware and early online distribution. Even bigger than it is now. (Because there’s not a monopoly sucking in all the eyes(which includes you it seems as you can’t even imagine a non-Steam world (probably because you’re a young lad trying to act old)))

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    • SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      no free advertising yeah you pay it via the 30%

      twenty years ago… alright i may have been wrong in that regard, however 20 years are more than enough time to catch up. epic games and basically every publisher tried to do so, also with their own exclusivity and all. but they didnt. cause they suck. steam doesnt suck. it actually provides a good service, maybe not 20 years ago, but today they do.

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      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        however 20 years are more than enough time to catch up

        I suggest you read about the Network Effect in business.

        It’s not at all easy to reverse the market share of a business which benefits from a dominant market position in a market were such effects are strong, even when they turn complet shit (example: Twitter), which Valve hasn’t.

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• BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not ok but that where we at.

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• msage@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They are all billionaires.

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