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Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

They don’t want to spruik nuclear, they don’t give a fuck about nuclear, they just want to stole conflict in the clean energy discussion while they burn coal for as long as possible. It’s the only thing Dutton knows how to do.

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TheHolm@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can’t build grid on renewables only. So some form of base generation is required. Nuclear is only thing we have for now to cover it. But god, why SMR? They are too new and untested.

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- anathema_device@bne.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  @TheHolm @australia “You can’t build grid on renewables only”
  Why the fuck not?
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  - TheHolm@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Because it we are lacking core technology to make it works - Energy storage. A do not tell me about Tesla batteries, and Show Hydro 2, they are both not scalable. Batteries for time, hydro forever. And there is no time to wait. we need to phase out coal ASAP, and nuclear only tested green technology we have in the moment which can provide base generation in AU. Hydro is other one, but we are used it all already. In 50 years it may be better solution, form high altitude wind to orbital solar and thermonuclear. For now there is no other option, we burn coal or we build some nuclear with renewables on top.
    
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- steakmeout@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yes you fucking can in Australia - we have extreme winds, extreme heat, we’re tidally locked and we have ample room for solar, wind and tidal power generation. What we lack is spine enough to push back against conservative talking points.
  
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  - TheHolm@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    As we lack technology to make it happen. Read my comment bellow pls.
    
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- Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Solar Hydro has pretty much solved the baseload problem.
  
  Generates power at night and on demand during peaks.
  
  Can store excess energy from the grid during times of low cost.
  
  Spinning mass means it can play the same role as coal/nuclear in grid infrastructure.
  
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  - TheHolm@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    All these things are still prototypes. Scaling them up will take who know how long and no one knows what problems will arise. Recent problem with Simens wind turbines shows that even wind is still not fully mature. Plus who is going to build all these thousands of hydro-solar stations? Do we have industry to do it? Nuclear is there ready to build, not required any new KNOW-HOW or creates some enormous industry ( like Lithium batteries).
    
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    Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Nuclear takes 20 years at a minimum lmao
    
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