Comment on What would community moderators want in an automod for the Fediverse?

• Skavau@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This would just burnout moderators on a highly active communities. My preference is not have these tools work after-the-fact, after-the-post but simply tell the would-be poster that their post has hit a keyword block. But basic stuff like mandating all posts be link posts or text posts (depending on the communities focus) or instantly removing duplicate posts seem pretty necessary for many communities if the fediverse expands in population.

  Account didn’t get enough updoots from strangers prior to posting? Goodbye post.

  Now this one, I admit is a tough one - as it can be harsh to new users. But it’s simply based on trying to deal with spam posters. As the Fediverse grows, the high-trust public nature of downvoting should negate people wanting this.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s a risk I’d rather take, than letting automation make this another reddit where all the big communities are managed by algorithms.

    A human could see a post was only 49/50 words and apply their judgement to know that this post is acceptable because the quality of what was said was more important than the quantity.

    A human could see the word trumpcard was in fact not about Trump.

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    • Skavau@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a risk I’d rather take, than letting automation make this another reddit where all the big communities are managed by algorithms.

      That’s not fair on other people. It’s also just not viable. I doubt almost any moderators would support not doing this.

      Moreover, there already exist self-hosted bots that already autoremove content on the Fediverse. It is already happening de facto.

      A human could see a post was only 49/50 words and apply their judgement to know that this post is acceptable because the quality of what was said was more important than the quantity.

      I wasn’t specifically talking about that kind of automodding. I’m not sure if that is needed, except maybe in specific long-form debate/discussion communities. I don’t think that level of automodding is a priority, to be sure.

      A human could see the word trumpcard was in fact not about Trump.

      Yes, there could be false positives. I’m sure that if a community did have a “Trump” filter they could specify it only to notice “Trump” when posted as a single word.

      But I was also more thinking about autoremoving slur posts and comments here.

      If the price to pay to be moderated by humans and not algorithms is that obscenely large communities can’t exist, than we should be pushing for human sized communities.

      A community would not even need to be “obscenely large” in order to not become a moderating chore without some level of automod functionality.

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• Mac@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sounds like you were incapable of following the rules and a human would have deleted your post anyway.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A human would be able to use common sense.

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    • Mac@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That common sense:

      Hey, this is off-topic. delete
      Oh, this word isn’t allowed. delete
      Yeah… We don’t allow new accounts to post. delete

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I never said off-topic.

        ‘Hey the word Trump isn’t allowed, but I can see you were using the word ‘trump card’ and not talking about Donald Trump so I’ll use my brain and allow it”

        “Hey I can see this detailed and informative reply is only 49/50 words long. I understand the word limit is intended to create discussion, not limit it so I’ll use my brain and allow it because you’ve met the intended goal.”

        “We don’t allow accounts with arbitrary karma amount to post, because it could be indicative of a spam/bot account but I can see your comment isn’t either of those so I’ll use my brain and allow it.

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• asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Welp, the fourth one can’t happen.

  The others are left to the community mods’ implementations.

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