Additionally, the citizens who support this kind of government surveillance are fine with a few innocents getting charged.
Are you kidding? They’re proud of it. They honestly think it’s a good thing. Along with the recent article about ICE stopping brown people and using a phone app to ID them from a photograph , we’ve rocketed right past the Papers-Please phase of fascism into a high tech dystopian end game.
beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 14 hours ago
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
So long as they aren’t the ones getting turned into the new fountain on the campus, they couldn’t care less.
Manjushri@piefed.social 13 hours ago
Particularly if those innocents are the “right” color.
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
And yet still, somewhere out there, there is a fake or brain dead leftist spouting on about how democrats support genocide.
“Chemo makes me sick, so Ill stick with Cancer”
astropenguin5@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I mean some of them legit do (cough Fetterman), and a lot just don’t particularly care about stopping it, but that’s beside the point, I know the kind of people you’re actually talking about. There is still value in electing the lesser evil, and pushing to get better and more progressive Dems in office (that are usually better at pushing back against fascism anyways)
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
This is exactly my point. The democrats have huge AIPAC backing and support some awful things, but they are fucking saints compared to the only other options in this political system.
They are the only potential vehicles for long term change and stability exactly the way you described.
Progressive candidates have to be winning primaries despite swimming upstream, and democrats have to continue winning federally despite the bad taste (chemo) they put in your mouth.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
In case you haven’t noticed, the system in place now in the US became what it is today under both Republican and Democrat Administrations.
One has to be a tribalist useful idiot to deny that “their side” has done as much to create a Surveillance State as the “other” side - amongst those few things which have bipartisan support in the US are strengthening of police powers and erosion of privacy.
The comparison with most of Europe (with notable exceptions such as Britain and Russia) is very telling: it absolutely is possible to have low crime without reckless invasion of privacy, draconian police powers and a pay-to.pay Judicial System.
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
This bothsiderism is pretty thoughtless.
It is true that both contribute to a surveillance state but to equate both is to just ignore all policy differences, actions and more to pretend to be nuanced while painting everything as the same shade of grey, which is a downgrade to even black and white thinking.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 minutes ago
This is Politics, it’s not 1D or 2D, it’s N-Dimensional (with a very, very large N): it’s not just possible but pretty much a Mathematical certainty than in a country were there are only 2 parties they will match perfectly on some dimensions, even whilst not at all matching in others.
Trying to dismiss away that aspect of Reality (which is incoveninent for tribalists) with sloganeering like “bothsiderism” is just parroting propaganda meant for simpletons.
It’s pretty evident by their actual policies that strengthenning of police powers and the surveillance state are things in which both sides of the power duopoly in the US agree in the most, and it the face of both of those parties being shit on that domain your “yeah, but <tiny difference>” discourse is really just trying to distract away from the most nasty aspects of both of those taking big fat dumps on the face of every American by talking about subtle details in the shape and consistent of each one’s shit.
Now, if you favorite party did start to diverge in that, you would have reason to celebrate, but it ain’t hapenning and discourse such as yours makes it even harder that it will ever happen.