No, the use of words matter when having a debate. "Theft" is an emotionally charged word that has a lot of implications that don't actually map well to what's going on here. It's not a good word to be using for this.
No, the use of words matter when having a debate. "Theft" is an emotionally charged word that has a lot of implications that don't actually map well to what's going on here. It's not a good word to be using for this.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Seems to map pretty well. I’ve looked up a handful of definitions of theft and looking at it from an emotionless perspective it seems to fit. To take something without permission or the right to. I don’t really see where the removal of a finite resource is required.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 1 year ago
When you steal something the person you stole it from doesn't have it any more. That's why copyright violation is covered by an entirely different set of laws from theft.
This isn't even copying, really, since the end result is not the same as anything in the source material.
Lots of people may want it to be illegal, may want to call it theft, but that won't make it so when they take it to court.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“When you steal something the person you stole it from doesn’t have it any more.”
That may be the case from a legal perspective, but it’s not in the actual definition of the word. Illegal or not, it does seem to be stealing. Like I said I don’t see a requirement for the thing being stolen to be a singular, finite thing.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 1 year ago
No, it is considered copyright violation. That's a crime too (well, often a civil tort) but it is not theft. It's a different crime.
If you want something to be illegal there needs to be an actual law making it illegal. There isn't one in the case of AI training because it isn't theft and it isn't copyright violation. This is a new thing and new things are not illegal by default.
Calling it "theft" is simply incorrect, and meaningfully so since it's an emotionally charged and prejudicial term.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The point is loss. You have to show you were damaged. In this case fry isn’t losing anything.