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Comment on 'Valve does not get anywhere near enough criticism': DayZ creator Dean Hall says the 'gambling mechanics' of Valve's monetization strategy 'have absolutely no place' in videogames

teawrecks@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

I’ll be the first to say I don’t like Linux gaming’s dependence on valve. I wish steam wasn’t the best experience, and I applaud all the effort that the FOSS community puts in to keep them honest.

But for the “gambling” monetization in particular, this is really a “don’t hate the player, hate the game” situation. It’s on people/govts to regulate this. If Valve said tomorrow, “you’re right, we’re not going to monetize gambling anymore because we think it is unethical”, they would just lose to a competitor who is less ethical.

It’s the same as saying, “if you’re rich and are pro higher taxes, why don’t you just choose to pay more? Nothing is stopping you.” Because that’s not going to fix anything, it’s just a losing strategy. What you need is a system where everyone is required by law to behave in a way that benefits the society.

To that end, Valve’s most ethical move would be to lobby the govt to ban unethical monetization. I know they’re making bank, but whether they’re making enough to out-lobby all the others who are also doing this, I don’t know…also we all know the US is not exactly positioned for effective FTC policies right now…

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amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Valve could literally ban gambling on all Steam games if they wanted to. stop playing devil’s advocate for billionaires, Gaben already has enough yachts already

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- bluesocks@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You can’t read.
  
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
What you need is a system where everyone is required by law to behave in a way that benefits the society.

That’s not feasible, but it’s probably feasible to require everyone to act in a way that doesn’t hurt society, and make restitution when they do hurt society.

For example, I’m okay with gambling in games being legal, but there needs to be rules:

no kids

pay into a fund to help those with addiction

odds of winning are clearly posted in a way that’s accessible and understandable, and the odds are verified independently

there should be a way to buy something instead of gambling for it

must have a way to set spending limits to protect drunk gamblers
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Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I mean, it doesn’t anymore.

You can install Proton by other means. It doesn’t have to be through Steam. And by now, since Valve made so much of the groundwork already, the development of Proton can be done by the community, like so many other FOSS projects.

So we’re not dependent on Valve.

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- teawrecks@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  And you can build your own PC and peripherals, yet every aspect of the gaming industry is funded and driven by corporations. Always has been, and Linux gaming is no exception.
  
  I specifically acknowledged the FOSS efforts to eliminate depenence on valve, I think it’s great, but even Bazzite uses the SteamDeck UI. Do you know if there’s a FOSS deck UI replacement that unifies all storefronts/repos, and works as smoothly? I want that to exist.
  
  Steam is just objectively the smoothest linux gaming experience for the largest number of people right now. It’d be awesome if that wasn’t the case, but for now it is.
  
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SoloCritical@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

What you need is a system where everyone is required by law to behave in a way that benefits the society.

Yeah good luck with that.

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