Comment on OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

• FosterMolasses@leminal.space ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There’s evidence that a lot of suicide hotlines can be just as bad. You hear awful stories all the time of overwhelmed or fed up operators taking it out on the caller. There’s some real evil people out there. And not everyone has access to a dedicated therapist who wants to help.

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• whiwake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Real therapy isn’t always better. At least there you can get drugs. But neither are a guarantee to make life better—and for a lot of them, life isn’t going to get better anyway.

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  • kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Are you comparing a professional to a text generator?

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    • whiwake@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Have you ever had ineffective professional therapy?

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      • kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Are you still trying to compare medical treatment with generating text?

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  • CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Real therapy is definitely better than an AI. That said, AIs will never encourage self harm without significant gaming.

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    • whiwake@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      AI “therapy” can be very effective without the gaming, but the problem is most people want it to tell them what they want to hear. Real therapy is not “fun” because a therapist will challenge you on your bullshit and not let you shape the conversation.

      I find it does a pretty good job with pro and con lists, listing out several options, and taking situations and reframing them. I have found it very useful, but I have learned not to manipulate it or its advice just becomes me convincing myself of a thing.

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    • triptrapper@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I agree, and to the comment above you, it’s not because it’s guaranteed to reduce symptoms. There are many ways that talking with another person is good for us.

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      • kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The keyword here is “person”.

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• Cybersteel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Suicide is big business. There’s infrastructure readily available to reap financial rewards from the activity, atleast in the US.

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• atmorous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  More so from corporate proprietary ones no? At least I hope that’s the only cases. The open source ones suggest really useful ways proprietary do not. Now I dont rely on open source AI but they are definitely better

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  • SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The corporate models are actually much better at it due to having heavy filtering built in. The fact that a model generally encourages self arm is just a lie that you can prove right now by pretending to be suicidal on ChatGPT. You will see it will adamantly push you to seek help.

    The filters and safety nets can be bypassed no matter how hard you make them, and it is the reason why we got some unfortunate news.

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