Comment on "What is the oldest country in the world that still exists?" is a Ship of Theseus problem.

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• trashcroissant@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Same with indigenous people on turtle island (north america).

  I’d argue that the concept of ‘country’ though is more colonial in its origins so realistically, a ‘country’ wouldn’t exist until after colonization in these areas. Nations might’ve existed with different groups/tribes/villages sharing a culture, but the concepts of clear-cut borders, strict land ownership, and nationalism (which to me are a requirement for the concept of a “country”) are significantly different in many indigenous cultures as compared to colonial states. Maybe with the exception of some Latin American empires? Though I don’t know enough about those empires to be confident in that.

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• Cherry@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Isnt there evidence the First Nations came from Indonesia? Or Polynesia?

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  • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    South east Asia via land bridges during ice ages is the current dominant theory I believe. Indonesia wouldn’t be accurate, more like Papua New Guinea - but both of those countries are far newer than when the original Aboriginal’s descendants crossed. Genetically they’re closest to PNG AFAIK.

    As an aside, Dingoes (genetically distinct from dogs, Canus familiaris) came over much more recently, also believed to be during a land bridge during an ice age ~3,500 years ago from south east Asia - specifically PNG also. They’re most closely related to New Guinean Singing Dogs and share the same taxonomic rank under ‘Canus lupus dingo’.

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    • Cherry@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Thanks for the update. Education is always an over option to being downvoted.

      I was being ignorant just remembering badly.

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      • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah I dunno why the downvotes tbh

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