Comment on Moon talk

Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The greatest human invention murdered hundreds of millions through colonialism?

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  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Colonialism is not a product of capitalism or vice versa. If anything, capitalist principles are what led to the end of colonialism after WWII. Free trade and global integration is what ended the era of colonialism. This of course not mentioning that Marxist countries like the Soviet Union had colonies.

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• DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Probably fertilizer tbh, but capitalism always likes to steal the glory from technological progress, and claims to be freedom although nearly everyone is poor and forced to work for slave wages. Then capitalists point to the most authoritarian countries in history and say, see socialism sucks. Like no bro, Russia sucks, Russia has been a shit hole with every form of government they had, because they are authoritarians.

  Funny how capitalists always ignore the good socialist societies that are highly regulated free markets with strong workers and consumer protection laws and fairly high taxes and strong welfare states, but they ignore all the terrible capitalist societies all over the world. It’s a miracle that a capitalist economy isn’t a miserable shit hole, but that requires self awareness and actually researching and educating yourself, not listening to some dick in a 15,000 dollar suit, from a corporate funded think tank thats only job is to push capitalist propaganda, or distract people from realizing socialism is better.

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  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Probably fertilizer tbh, but capitalism always likes to steal the glory from technological progress

    What are you even on about? Modern synthetic fertilizer, which is what’s responsible for the dramatic increase in food production, is quite literally a product of capitalist innovation in 19th and 20th century Western Europe and North America. Just about every single major development was researched, developed, replicated, applied, and mass produced in capitalist societies.

    claims to be freedom although nearly everyone is poor and forced to work for slave wages.

    This is nonsensical ideological drivel. Reality is actually quite different. Capitalism has brought up the global standards of living to such a degree that extreme poverty is now almost eliminated. We went from having around 90% of the global population living in extreme poverty just 200 years ago to around 10% now. That is a massive shift. What caused it? Capitalism. Want examples? Look at what happened in China after they adopted capitalism in the late 1970s and early 1980s or Western Europe after WWII or Japan after WWII or South Korea after the Korean war or Singapore and Hong Kong post British control. Just about every country that has adopted capitalism has seen their standard of living improve.

    Then capitalists point to the most authoritarian countries in history and say, see socialism sucks.

    Can you point to any Marxist state that did not end up being authoritarian? Because history seems to show there’s a pretty strong correlation between the two.

    Funny how capitalists always ignore the good socialist societies that are highly regulated free markets with strong workers and consumer protection laws and fairly high taxes and strong welfare states

    You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about because socialist societies, by definition, do NOT have free markets whatsoever, they don’t have taxes, they don’t consumer protection laws, and they don’t welfare programs. These are exclusively capitalist concepts. Socialism is, again, by definition, a centrally planned economy where the “public” (read: government) own all the means of production. Since they control all the resources, revenue, and production, they don’t need to tax, provide protection laws, have free markets, or provide welfare programs… they just directly allocate the resources. If you think Norway or Denmark are socialist then you’re not qualified enough for this discussion, because these are capitalist societies through and through.

    they ignore all the terrible capitalist societies all over the world.

    Nobody is ignoring bad societies, but what we’re looking at here is trends among economic systems, and the data is crystal clear that capitalist societies fair far better than their socialist counterparts. This implies that one system is better than the other, and it is based on the results.

    It’s a miracle that a capitalist economy isn’t a miserable shit hole

    but that requires self awareness and actually researching and educating yourself, not listening to some dick in a 15,000 dollar suit, from a corporate funded think tank thats only job is to push capitalist propaganda, or distract people from realizing socialism is better.

    This is just arrogance that comes from ignorance, which is the worst kind of all. You think way too highly of yourself. Do you honestly think you know better than the tens of thousands of economists all over the world who specialize in this field? Do you think you’re bullshit research of lazily scrolling through propaganda on Lemmy or Youtube is more valid than the field of economics vast amounts wisdom, research, and knowledge that been accumulating for decades, if not centuries? Get real. Just because you listen to some sleazebag propagandist and shills who push the shitty ideology of socialism, doesn’t mean you can project that on to everybody else who doesn’t buy into the same nonsense you bought into.

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    • DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol you been drinking that coolaid. Reganomics isn’t the same thing as economics.

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      • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Good thing nobody is talking about Reganomics

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• _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  no the greatest human invention is the dvd rewinder

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  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which is a product of capitalist innovation

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• bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah but it cant exist well regulated because of how it is. Then again humans suck so all systems have downsides.

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  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Capitalism is not a static system. It’s incredible power comes from the competition between different forces vying to get an advantage over the others. Workers, the government, businesses, investors are all competing to get what’s best for them. Regulations have to be fought for and protected by every generation. So things like education and participating in civic responsibilities are crucial. It’s similar to democracy, keeping capitalism well regulated is like keeping a democratic society free, it’s something that has to always be actively sought after. That’s how it’s meant to work.

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