Comment on A Beginners Guide To Selfhosting Part 1

nupo@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• BlueberryWalnut@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This +1 because just an upvote didn’t feel strong enough

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• sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why is that, if I may ask? I’ve used both for years and personally I find Ubuntu has fewer footguns for a new user, and an easisr upgrade process.

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  • nupo@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I prefer Debian’s community-driven governance model, the higher degree of freedom over the system and lack of preinstalled software that I neither need nor want, and the quiet stability that Debian offers.

    I also have just not liked Ubuntu’s decisions over the years. Little things that piled up like the Unity stuff a few years back (or I guess almost a decade at this point), the forced inclusion of snapd, that time they said they wouldn’t offer 32-bit libraries, the little message advertising Ubuntu Pro in the shell.

    I’ve always felt like Debian is happy to just get out of the way and let you use it how you want to use it. That control is what I look for in a distro. What you call “footguns” are to me just more options for control.

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    • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For me the footguns in debian have been an unintuitive upgrade process that lets you break things, and configurations/software that don’t work well out of the box without user knowledge and intervention. But for my server, Debian has been very nice and lightweight.

      Even though Ubuntu is not always pure good the way that Debian is (remember when they had Amazon advertisements and search integrated into the desktop), and minor annoyances like the apt advert are annoying, but they offer an amount of stability and ease of use that I think earns the nickname “preconfigured Debian”

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      • shrugs@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I call bullshit. Debian stable just works, Ubuntu LTS releases use netplan instead of ifconfig, send your searches to Amazon, show advertising in the shell and pushes snaps down my thought. I used Ubuntu from 6.06 up until 10.04. Debian is just better with less corporate profit bogaloo

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  • non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Debian’s footguns are better documented and are generally there for good reason. Ubuntu’s footguns are there because “fuck the user”.

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  • dalekcaan@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, I don’t know anything about self-hosting, but I’ve recently been working on switching from Windows 10 to Linux and I’ve been really enjoying Kubuntu so far.

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• DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Personally I would recommend Proxmox. It’s a debian based distro for hosting containers and virtual machines

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And what OS do you implement there? Debian? :p

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    • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, as I said it’s a debian base. But Proxmox is built for servers and using it to host and share containers or virtual machines is super simple. Especially with the community helper scripts that can set up different self-hosting projects within minutes with minimal tinkering.

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      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sorry I think I forgot to write the word.
        What do you use as your guest OS? Debian? :p

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What about Mint /s

      But Mint though :-)

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    +1 for ProxMox.

    I have that running and it’s pretty easy to work with

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• gibdos@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Whille I agree, when it comes to the Ubuntu Desktop, their Server OS has been a stable, reliable and well supported system for me.

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