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idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Yes, in elevators usually one cable could hold far more than the full weight, than they add 6 more for the safety.

For rail speed limits this is the exact way they calculate it. For road speed limits they consider break distance, which grows by the square of your speed, so if you go 120 on 60 road, you will need 4 times the distance to stop. I wrote 1.5 as a safety factor, not 4, With a 1.5 safety factor you can go by 75 though, but I would use a 1.1 safety there, as in my country the speed cameras are set up that way, you can go +10% of the official speed limit, they only send a cheque if you went even quicker than that.

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azertyfun@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Speed limits are trickier than structural safety margins because of several factors:

In some areas, particularly remote areas, the process isn’t very well defined. Sometimes the speed limit will be set by one guy who just felt like that was fine. Doesn’t even have to be an engineer really.

Standards evolve over time (trending towards lower speed limits) but speed limits only change when a tragedy or major road renovation happens. Where I live there’s sometimes a 40 km/h spread on posted speed limits for similar roads depending on whether they were rebuilt last year or 50 years ago.

Car culture means drivers hold a ton of political power. There are a myriad of traffic devices that cannot be built not because of practical or financial constraints, only because they would “inconvenience drivers”. Lower speed limits are often one of those. People complain so the government backs down despite engineering recommendations.

A driver is always liable if they drive too fast for the conditions, not the traffic engineer. That goes to the previous point, with zero penalty for not sticking to the sensible engineering choice, political pressure easily wins out. Hard to argue against a work order when the person signing off on it cannot be sued for negligence.

The upshot is speed limits in my local experience have a lot more to do with the municipality/region’s political climate than engineering standards and safety factors. Sometimes I feel like I could safely go 2x, sometimes the limit is 90 km/h on a two-way one lane road with 30 m of visibility where 30 km/h feels like I’m pushing it.
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Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
They send you a cheque for speeding? Sounds like you should be going at least 1.11x to collect your bonuses 😜

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atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
That’s because elevators use counter weights usually equal to the weight of the car and half the occupancy load so that it takes less energy to lift it and if it falls for any reason it won’t hit the bottom as long as the counter weights are still attached. The occupancy load is determined by the counter weighting system not the cable load capacity.

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- Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah, as I understand it, the elevator will refuse to move instead of collapse, and hopefully you’re not between floors when it happens because it was close and someone shifted their weight or bounced slightly or they might write a sitcom episode about what happens next (and the reality will be far more boring).
  
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