Thank you for the source! I agree that Tesla should’ve halted FSD and went all in on ensuring FSD sees and stops for busses, this is dangerous and mishandled.
My original claim wasn’t that FSD or Tesla is perfect, just already safer than humans.
Please note my below sources are from 2024 to get a full year and have data before the Trump administration. This means that the software is older and so doesn’t hit my 10x claim but does hit 5x. I’m confident 2025 will hit 10x.
(Would’ve used this source for fleet size miles as well but not updated since 2019)
I’ve used a basically entirely biased against Tesla source for deaths. With their numbers Tesla fsd is still multiple times safer than a human.
For the record, I could find no record of FSD actually hitting a child getting on a bus. It’s still a supervised system and human drivers are aware it doesn’t work with busses and take action to stop for the bus. The coming update does in fact now stop for busses so it is being addressed, albeit I agree not with the speed and seriousness such a miss should merit.
I’d rather have a system with a human and computer ensuring safety. Even if at the moment there are still for sure situations where the computer is far worse than a human, it being better in the majority of cases still makes it more safe to have than not have.
I don’t like Elon and nothing in my comment was defending him.
Please at least admit that you lose the moral high ground when in a debate you admit to not reading the other view point at all and personally insult your opponent.
moeggz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Thank you for the source! I agree that Tesla should’ve halted FSD and went all in on ensuring FSD sees and stops for busses, this is dangerous and mishandled.
My original claim wasn’t that FSD or Tesla is perfect, just already safer than humans.
Please note my below sources are from 2024 to get a full year and have data before the Trump administration. This means that the software is older and so doesn’t hit my 10x claim but does hit 5x. I’m confident 2025 will hit 10x.
nhtsa.gov/…/nhtsa-estimates-39345-traffic-fatalit…
1.2 fatalities per 100 million miles
Tesla 2024 fleet size(yes a Tesla source but tesladeaths is not up to date on fleet size)
x.com/tesla_ai/status/1905644814483251709
2.16 billion miles 2024 Expected deaths 34
Actual deaths 6
www.tesladeaths.com
(Would’ve used this source for fleet size miles as well but not updated since 2019)
I’ve used a basically entirely biased against Tesla source for deaths. With their numbers Tesla fsd is still multiple times safer than a human.
For the record, I could find no record of FSD actually hitting a child getting on a bus. It’s still a supervised system and human drivers are aware it doesn’t work with busses and take action to stop for the bus. The coming update does in fact now stop for busses so it is being addressed, albeit I agree not with the speed and seriousness such a miss should merit.
I’d rather have a system with a human and computer ensuring safety. Even if at the moment there are still for sure situations where the computer is far worse than a human, it being better in the majority of cases still makes it more safe to have than not have.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I only answered because I think you have a shit opinion.
I didn’t read your response and I probably won’t. Feel free to defend Musk more and pay attention to me less.
Bye!
moeggz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t like Elon and nothing in my comment was defending him.
Please at least admit that you lose the moral high ground when in a debate you admit to not reading the other view point at all and personally insult your opponent.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Lol.