who’s spent his career with the DOD/Defense contractors. Not a scientist.
Imagine thinking the DOD doesn’t have scientists…
Sl00k@programming.dev 9 months ago
Unfortunately NASA is not being transparent here. They created a UAP task force and would not reveal who was heading it and when it is released it turns out to be someone who’s spent his career with the DOD/Defense contractors. Not a scientist. Why are we not letting scientists handle this matter?
NASA also says they want to work to destigmatize UAPs and NHI, yet Bill Nelson slanders Grusch (highly decorated US military serviceman) and speaks down on anyone promoting more transparency here. The minimization of Grusch’s testimony all while the DOD is withholding Grusch’s security clearance and essentially stonewalling congress. Lots of reasons enough for us to be suspicious of foul play behind government figures here.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Sl00k@programming.dev 9 months ago
Ofc they do but they’re compartmentalized as hell.
Why do you think Bill Nelson himself is a career politician, not a scientist? These are political figures in these politicians, not scientists.
supercheesecake@aussie.zone 9 months ago
Wasn’t it headed by David Spergel who is an astrophysicist? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Spergel
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Probably hard pressed to find any reputable scientist who wants to waste their time debunking trivial bullshit.
GONADS125@lemmy.world 9 months ago
There are legitimate scientific organizations studying UAP, such as UAPx and the Galileo Project at Harvard.
Referring to UAP and not aliens, our government has admitted to having [secret government programs (www.nytimes.com./2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html) monitoring/studying UAP, and other nations around the world have as well, including the UK and France who’ve both opened their information to the public. The US is uniquely secretive, withholding, and obfuscating the subject.
If you want a rational representation of valid information, I would encourage you to read my post. Everything is cited and it contains declassified US government documents and admission of the existence of UAP and secret government programs monitoring them. Again, I’m speaking in regard to UAP (Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon) and not aliens.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Tell me when they have something tangible that isn’t “here’s this thing on video that we can’t identify”. We’ve been collecting data for >80 years so I’m sure there must be something by now? Or is “fuzzy photography” the extent of it?
UAP has the same stigma as well. You can’t say "Oh, it’s Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon while winking and nodding about aliens and hinting at conspiracies. We know what you mean.
Decades of “it might be aliens” when looking at blurry and out-of-context videos and photos deserves the stigma. It’s not aliens. It’s never aliens. All we have is “we don’t know what that thing was.” Until we do and then it’s an insect close to the camera, an internal reflection on an SLR lens, another aircraft, etc.
To jump to the conclusion that aliens is even an option is ridiculous given the number of crap we have in the skies today.
GONADS125@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re clearly uneducated in the topic if you think a bug on lense is responsible for these crafts when there have been many instances in which radar has verified recordings and/or eyewitness reports. That rules out bugs.
And the UAP have been measured at temperatures that rule out birds or other warm-blooded animals.
There’s enough evidence that exists to make the belief that these physical objects exist rational and reasonable. Just because you haven’t honestly evaluated the evidence for something doesn’t mean that evidence doesn’t exist.
magnusrufus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’d be taken a lot more seriously if you dropped the “admission” phrasing.
GONADS125@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What would be better phrasing? Acknowledged? It was previously classified and denied, and they have now admitted to the existence of the programs and phenomenon.
The information is valid regardless if people want to believe it. My post is thoroughly cited.
Sl00k@programming.dev 9 months ago
Right now the US military and NASA is in agreement that UAPs exist, there’s thousands of citizens interested in UAPs/NHI, yet not a single scientist in the past 75 years wanted to find the answer to what these UAPs are?
Science in itself is debunking trivial bullshit until you find a rock solid solution and right now we don’t have a solution.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
The answer? You think there is only one? UAPs are a hodgepodge of anomalies. They’re not a single phenomenon. There are people in various fields who would and do study them. Odd things on a radar will certainly be of interest to radar manufacturers for exqmple.
But we all know what people mean by UFOs, er., UAPs. “I’m not saying it’s aliens. But it’s aliens…”
Spoiler: it’s not aliens.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think NASA’s and the wider scientific community’s stance on this is less “Not a chance.” and more “If you really want us to look into this, you have to fund it.” No one is volunteering to be the official “It’s not aliens.” guy and get death threats from conspiracy theorists and shit.
And the question for us should be “How much tax money should we spend on this?” rather than “Do we want an answer?”
lorez@lemm.ee 9 months ago
But do we really want an answer?
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 months ago
If the bullshit was really some new atmospheric disturbance or anamoly, I’m sure they’d be interested in figuring out about that.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Sure, but like 99% of the time it’s mundane.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 months ago
It’s only mundane once explained. So, like, 99% of science in general.
Tatters@feddit.uk 9 months ago
So much time and money being wasted on pseudoscientific bunkum.