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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 days agoIt’s great that you agree with me on some things.
Democrats still need to listen to criticism. They still need to realize that there are things they can do that will cause people who would otherwise vote for them to stay home in well-earned disgust. Voters have standards, and when they see a party willing to do nothing for them and anything for a genocidal apartheid regime on the other side of the planet, the expectation of unquestioning enthusiasm takes a lot of gall.
You can blame voters all you want, but the party wasn’t failed by the voters. The voters were failed, repeatedly, over the course of decades, by a party that has no interest in ever actually representing them.
No one here brought up the Democratic Party or genocide except you.
This is a post about division on Lemmy.
You actually don’t have to demonstrate that. You can choose to find common ground in the culture of the platform and save the division for matters that are important to you in the communities that discuss them. That’s up to you, friend.
No one here brought up the Democratic Party or genocide except you.
This is a post about division on Lemmy.
And it sure would be nice for all the centrists who spent a solid year screeching abuse at anyone who dared to say that genocide was wrong if anyone who said it could be silenced by saying that they’re being divisive.
Meanwhile, I don’t see you saying boo to everyone who’s calling anyone to their left a tankie. “Divisive” is a club used by the orthodox to enforce orthodoxy.
You actually don’t have to demonstrate that. You can choose to find common ground in the culture of the platform and save the division for matters that are important to you in the communities that discuss them.
I can choose to agree with genocide or shut up. That’s the only thing you’re saying.
I’m not scrolling through the thread to police people. I’m just responding to you as one person to another. I’m certainly not trying to shut you up.
I didn’t call you or anyone else in this thread a tankie, because I actually agree with the premise that Lemmy could benefit from a more collaborative culture. I’m not identifying and harping on which political issues we disagree on here, because there are plenty of other threads on Lemmy for that.
I’m just letting you know that I honestly believe that you and I are on the same side. We agree on 90% of the most important issues in the world right now. I don’t think there is any daylight between us when it comes to Trump or unions or healthcare or LGBTQ+ or protecting online speech or most other things. I don’t consider you an enemy at all, and I hope you think the same about me. We can and should (and have) discuss when we disagree on threads related to topics where we differ.
Neglecting the majority of topics where we support one another does not benefit us, Lemmy, or the world.
I didn’t call you or anyone else in this thread a tankie, because I actually agree with the premise that Lemmy could benefit from a more collaborative culture.
Then tell the people who supported genocide for a solid year. Oh wait. You agree with them about 100% of everything and wonder why I’m so hung up on a little genocide.
Progressives have been betrayed by the party for decades. We’ve watched the party come up with constant procedural bullshit to throw in their own way to block progressive policy for decades. And then we watched them ignore actual law because they wanted, dearly wanted netanyahu to have his genocide. And because we had the temerity to be upset at genocide, we’re being blamed for the loss democrats refused to let go of their only actual policy to avoid.
I don’t think there is any daylight between us when it comes to Trump or unions or healthcare or LGBTQ+ or protecting online speech or most other things.
Democrats slow-walked the trump investigations out of an unwillingness to pursue justice. They happily broke the rail strike. They let republicans set the narrative on trans people and did nothing to challenge that narrative at best, and actively participated in it by running republicans’ hateful “boys in girls sports” talking point in their own ads at worst. Their actions run contrary to their stated positions.
I don’t consider you an enemy at all, and I hope you think the same about me.
You have made it clear that you don’t want me to talk about topics on which we differ, on the grounds that expecting accountability from democrats is “divisive.”
Serinus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’re encouraging people to “stay home in well-earned disgust”. That serves the fascists.
End of story.
There are ways to say what you want to say carefully. But in my opinion stopping the Nazis needs to come before any other priorities.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m remarking on a genuine phenomenon. At no point did I tell anyone to stay home, but anyone who wants no criticism of the party interprets all criticism as such.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 day ago
At this point not telling people to stay home from voting isn’t good enough. It’s great to discuss different views. But especially when heaping criticism, you must balance that with warranted criticism of opposing political sides. Making a point about the democrat’s failure to stop the abuses by Israel needs to be alongside the context of the republican’s stated goals to flatten Gaza and turn the area into a trump casino. Otherwise you are damaging the democrats relative reputation and so promoting worse outcomes for the people of Gaza by helping the GOP. If you can help with the bigger picture while also helping with specific causes, that’s great.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nothing but performative worship of democrats for their support for genocide will ever satisfy centrists.