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technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Libs and tankies are both right-wingers masquerading as left. So they’re constantly locking horns over whose empire is better, etc. It’s as simple as this:
SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Youre an anarchist so I get seeing tankies as right wing. Infact I’m the weird one for not seeing them as right wing but i don’t.
Libs yes are righties
thoro@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
You’re correct. They aren’t right wing. They are communists.
I haven’t figured out if I’m fully anarchist, a “left libertarian” who can accept a restrained state, or if I’m coming around to being an ML, tbh.
And I’m not sure if I care. I just want capitalism dismantled and fascism/conservativism opposed. And I don’t want a police state.
But, and this is gonna be hypocritical of me, I feel like the sectarianism always seems to be coming from online anarchist and progressive spaces. Like no don’t join our mass movement against capitalism if you, IDK, don’t dislike China enough? Doesn’t make sense to me.
stardust@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Tankies feel like they push pseudo communism with the bourgeoisie still at the top giving scraps to the proletariat and passing it off as paltry socialism. There’s no societal change to the hierarchy, balance of power, or wealth. Usually some power of personality to rally around as their God who’s surrounded themselves with oligarchs who are enriching themselves and providing scraps to pass off as communist enough.
It’s more a weird ultra nationalism where proletariats are being tricked into thinking power has been given to the people when the ones at top are abusing their power to oppress forms of counter thought to seize whatever they want and retain their wealth. I wouldn’t consider them left just because there’s some form of socialism. Lot of countries do if at the very least they fix roads and have fire fighters.
The integration of authoritarianism just conflicts with my idea of communism, since my idea of communism is power to the people and one where the government fears the people because people control the means of production and they choose who stays in power. Not trading the usual suspects of kings, dictators, warlords, or whatever they call themselves for a different coat of paint.
coriza@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That is because “left and right” conflate too much in the same name and depending on what you are thinking they may be right wing or not. I feel like tankies, in regard of social policies are more left wing, for economic policies it may be right or left wing depending on how you see it, but on the control, political, democratic policies they are right wing, because they are more authoritarian.
SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Economics is the core of political identity. That I share with Marx.