Ok, tell me: How many people make animated music videos and publish them on Youtube, versus how many people make animated music videos and publish them as Flash videos in 2025?
How many people did that in 2015 in Youtube vs Flash videos?
Nobody cares about Flash because it sucks. Even back in 2012 Flash sucked. It was a really bad tech and by 2015 it was mostly used by people to dumb to learn real programming languages and frameworks.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Where do you expect me to get actual numbers from?
But as a proportion of content creators, back in the early 10s a huge proportion of content creators were submitting content to places like newgrounds. And itch.io equivalents all used flash.
And around 2015, the total number dropped, but didn’t have a corresponding increase in non-flash equivalents.
Why? Because what few tools existed to do so had a much much much higher bar for entry. So the content simply never got created.
Flash sucked as a content consumer because the plugins had mediocre support and were full of vulnerabilities.
But as a creator, it was great.
Eww. that’s elitist as fuck.
These people aren’t software devs. They shouldn’t need to learn to code in order to animate a video.
For absolute shame. Wow.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You know what, I can give you numbers:
seo.ai/blog/how-many-videos-are-on-youtube
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrounds
(Had to resort to German Wikipedia, because their stats site has been down for a long time and wasn’t saved in Webarchive.)
So you see, even at the height of their popularity, they had about 1/1000 of the content of Youtube and compared to now, it’s 1/10000. And that’s only Youtube, not counting Facebook, Reddit, Tiktok, Instagram and all those other platforms people use to share their content.
So yes, there has been a massive, massive increase in non-flash video content, so much of an increase that flash looks like a tiny spec of a niche of internet history.
In fact, most of the old flash videos have more views on youtube than they ever had in their original forms.
And now you are getting onto something. No need to program when making a video for Youtube.
Flash was abandoned as fast as possible as soon as newer, easier and better alternatives arrived.
Those who wanted to code, left for JS. Those who wanted to make videos left for Youtube and the likes. Those who wanted to make games left for Unity and other engines.
Flash was just outdated, old technology. Nothing else.
You have been elitist as fuck throughout all your comments in this chain, thinking that you are somehow better than everyone else because you got stuck in some old software and didn’t manage to migrate to something better.
If you aren’t a developer, don’t claim to be.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
how many of those are animated video. holy willful misinterpretation.
what point do you think you’re making here?
this whole thread is lamenting the fall of interactive animation. you cant hide a funny mouse-over easter-eggs in a youtube video, like OP is talking about. The file sizes are huge.
except that the alternatives that fulfill the wants of OP are way harder to make the equivalent art.
Only because, as you demonstrated in the other thread, you’ve (willfully?) misread what I’ve said. meanwhile you’ve just told people “learn to code or pick up a camera, fuck the art that you actually wanted to make”
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Definitely much, much more than anything that was ever made in flash. Also, flash animation started because there was nothing else that could fit into a size that was affordable enough to host and small enough to download over low bandwidth internet. Two constraints that don’t matter any more.
So now we are back to “needs programming”, which you just said in your last comment that it is not what you are talking about. You aren’t just moving the goal posts, you are switching them back and forth.
Who cares? It’s not the early 2000s any more.
Again, you seem to think that Unity doesn’t exist, same as you claimed above that Unity can only do 3D and you claimed you need to know how to program to use Unity. None of which is true.
The art that YOU wanted to make. Apart from you and that other dude in this thread I have never actually heard of anyone being sad that Flash is gone.
And if you really want to make flash stuff, you can use one of the dozens of Flash to HTML5 converters (that you apparently don’t know exist) or a Flash on Webassembly implementation, which exist as well.
You are crying over the loss of something that still exists, and people are not using it because it still sucks.