Pretty much a default that religion, given the opportunity, will seek to push its rules and values on others. Doesn’t matter if it’s a medicine man or someone sitting on the local school board. I don’t have a problem with religious people in principle either, the problem is that even if you do meet a decent couple of people who appear to keep their religion to themselves there’s hundreds of thousands in their “club” that are going to fuck with things. Kinda like being in the republican party - even if they’re decent people, aren’t bootlickers, aren’t homophobes, etc… they still vote for, support, and associate with a group that does a lot of shitty things.
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the_tab_key@lemmy.world 2 days agoI was with you until the last sentence. As someone who is not religious in the slightest, I have no problem with people being religious as long as it’s not forced in me.
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Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Nope, garbage shit for assholes who want to control idiots. And yes it is being forced on you, that’s how Christian national terrorism works, if you don’t think it is, I’m sorry, but you’re also an idiot
the_tab_key@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Alright buddy, guess I’m an idiot. I know many people who are religious and don’t bother me with what they believe, Christian, Muslim, Jewish.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
My issue is that the ones who aren’t bothering you with it are essentially not doing so because they know other people in their group are already handling that for them. Religions, especially those you named, come with a mandate to spread themselves and force others to comply with their standards.
It’s kind of like a really selfish kid who would steal all your lunch every day, but he’s not strong enough to do so, so instead he’s just nice and kind and smiles at you and lets you be. But if he ever gets strong enough, he’ll start taking your lunch every single day forever.
The religious people who aren’t forcing it down your throat either (1) think someone else is doing it for them so they don’t have to, or (2) don’t think they could get away with it without being counterproductive to their cause, and are waiting for a more opportune moment.
These are people who believe that they factually know what constitutes objective good. Imagine if raping children was legal and you ones your neighbor was raping children. You might just leave him alone about it because, what can you do? But the moment you have an opportunity to vote for a law to outlaw it, the moment you have a chance to kill him and get away with it, etc. you’ll try to act against him. Your polite indifference to him is a lie. This is how religious people are to you, except for instead of it being about reasonable things like raping children, it’s about stupid bullshit that makes no sense, like the fact you don’t pray every day at a certain time, or the fact that you’re attracted to the same sex, or the fact that you don’t want the ten commandments posted in schools.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The problem is that by its very existence and prevalence you have to contend with religion’s bullshit effecting your life.
So honestly you should be against people being religious and try and discourage it. Though yeah its not super helpful to look at individual religious people and hate them openly. That’s a good way to just harden them right back against you.
tempest@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Religions have yet to prove to me they are not just another tribal group that wants control with extra steps.
the_tab_key@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Ok? Doesn’t change what I said.
tempest@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
I’m saying there isn’t a religion that doesn’t force it’s shit on people.
So basically you’re fine with supporting things that hurt others just so long as you’re left alone.