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There is a bunch of normalized transphobia in America. That certain views are shared by elected politicians doesn’t make them not transphobic.

“Trans allies aren’t even bothering to debate this white guy, they’re just calling him names” isn’t proof of anything more than the frustration of said allies. It’s essentially the same thing as “Trump derangement syndrome”.

If we want to argue that someone is or isn’t transphobic, it would be a better use of everyone’s time to focus on what they actually said and what justifications their critics give for applying that label.

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verdi@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
IMHO, the US has bigger fish to fry than transphobia, it’s ridiculous it has so much air time in the anglosphere in the face of the much more relevant inequality and destruction of association rights. The neonazis set up the bait and the idiots gobble it up, hook line and sinker.

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- SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It‘s perhaps worth noting that the first people the Nazis came for was LGBTQ people. If you‘ve seen photos of Nazi book-burnings, there‘s a high percentage chance that what you‘ve seen is the first book-burning, because the vast majority of photos are from one event. The books being burnt at that event was research from an organisation called Institut für Sexualwissenschaft (the Institute of Sexual Science), which was founded by a gay activist and focused mainly on LGBTQ research and care - including gender-affirming surgery. The Nazis very deliberately tried to wipe out this research and acknowledgement that trans people existed.
  
  If you don‘t care about the current attacks on trans people in and of itself, it should trouble you as a canary in a coal mine. The famous poem‘s first line should be „first they came for the trans people“, rather than „first they came for the Socialists“. Don‘t do the „and I did nothing because I wasn‘t trans“ thing.
  
  It all matters, even if your concern is purely for yourself.
  
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  - verdi@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Funny you’d mention that adage because the people getting sent to concentration camps are hispanics by ICEsatsgruppe. Leave it to amis to grandstand while missing the point…
    
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- ada@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  IMHO, the US has bigger fish to fry than transphobia
  
  Yes. That’s why the politicians keep talking about trans people. They are explicitly stirring up transphopbia as a simultaneous distraction and unification tool
  
  he liberals call everything phobe.
  
  Literally the only reason you’re even talking about this yourself is because of the neonazis. You’re literally doing their work, whilst somehow thinking you’re immune to it…
  
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- queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  The transphobes are getting ready to take away my healthcare, I think I have to be very worried about that.
  
  If I can’t get my medicine I will die.
  
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  - verdi@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    One of the beauties of socialized healthcare is transphobes can’t take it away from anyone.
    
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    queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    And they use the threat of trans people getting government healthcare as a way to stop socialized medicine. They also use racism this way, and sexism, and homophobia, and xenophobia, and other reactionary ideologies. These things are directly connected, we can’t really ignore one to focus on the other.
    
    Besides, we need to form a mass movement, and you can’t form a mass movement by telling minorities to shut up and wait their turn.
    
    Also I might lose my healthcare in the next few months. It’s kind of fucking urgent?
    
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    DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Please tell.me that you have better sources in the UK than I, and that their recent transphobic swing didn’t make trans care harder to get and keep.
    
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- gnate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Are you telling trans people that the unequal treatment they face isn’t relevant? It’s all part of the same pattern of restricting rights. It’s a bit like saying, “never mind all that about the Jews, let’s focus on the Nazis.”
  
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  - verdi@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I’m saying precisely the opposite, but nice testament to Godwin’s law. Your reply is a nice example of the “phobes” point I had previously mentioned.
    
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    DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Godwin himself pointed out that his law doesnt apply when discussing actual fascists.
    
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    gnate@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I guess I’m Nazi-phobic, but can you point out any other sense in which your statement holds meaning?
    
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- DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  By “association rights” I infer that you mean the right of free association.
  
  If so, can you be a little bit more specific as to whose “association rights”, specifically, are a more important issue than the right of trans folk to get healthcare, be free from discrimination, and be able to play sports without being harassed?
  
  My inclination is that the most important targets to defend against facist oppression are the ones being targeted, which does suggest one plausible answer, but I really do want to know what you meant in your post.
  
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