Comment on Not to get all religiony but why in the old testament God was all fire and brimstone and fatal consequences? But the new testament God is all about forgiveness and such??

zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• kreskin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Spoken like someone who mixes their fabrics and eats shellfish.

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  • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    🤘😈🤘

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• Tinidril@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Let’s not forget that prior to Jesus any punishments were over when you died. Permanent Hell was a new testament thing.

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• YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Could you link something cause when I Google any combination of “new testament god angry/vengeful” I’m not getting allot besides religious sites sane washing it.

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  • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m not gonna link a source, but here’s some chapters from the good book itself:

    Acts 5, God kills Ananias and Sapphira for withholding too much of their taxes. Seems like an overreaction for the new forgiving, loving, kind God.

    Acts 12, God strikes down King Herod for accepting praise or some shit, which is similar to the egotistical, vengeful, immature punishments the God of the old testament frequently handed out.

    Jesus (who is also God) throws some incredibly immature and irresponsible super-powered toddler tantrums, like in Mark 11 where he curses a fig tree for not bearing fruit when he was hungry, even though it was out of season, and in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus forces demons to possess a bunch (like, thousands) of pigs that just happen to be nearby, causing them all to cast themselves off a cliff and die. Jesus suggests/condones rape as a punishment in multiple instances, which is pretty fucked up, but is consistent with the whole “the sexual punishment fits the sexual “crime”” motif you see all throughout the New Testament. Jesus himself isn’t just the peace-loving, love-thy-neighbor hippie they try to portray him as - in Matthew 10 he says “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword”, basically acknowledging and condoning religious violence. Very like, un-kumbayah of him, man.

    Pick a page from Revelation, that whole book is basically just God bringing about the apocalyptic end times in increasingly violent and cruel ways, including killing people a second time by tossing them into a lake of fire for not being Christian enough to make it onto his nice list.

    The continued existence of hell is a big one for me as well. You’d think a truly loving, kind, and forgiving God would get rid of the eternal damnation spirit torture prison. He also doesn’t end other universally-accepted-as-immoral practices like slavery, but instead doubles down on it in Ephesians, Colossians, and probably a bunch of other places. All in all, the God of the new testament is just as much of a bastard as in the old, he’s just hiding behind his new son (who is also a bit of a bastard, but maybe a tad less so, so people accept it).

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    • lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Jesus’ instructions on divorce are pretty unJesus like.

      Slightly off topic but DAE find it convenient that Jesus’ first lecture to his new disciples was about divorce?

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    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’ve been out of the church for a while but always imagined Jesus as a current day socialist with feeding the poor & “how you treat the least of me…” stuff. Shame that book is so contradictory.

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      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The entire thing is contradictory, on purpose, to give people excuses to commit atrocities in the name of their “kind and loving” God

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  • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

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