Comment on Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is not the definition of insanity. It's the definition of practice.

njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• kelpie_returns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s not always true. Finding the optimal way to do something is only one potential aspect of practice. Another is getting to a level where you can do it consistently and on demand, over and over and over, without missing a beat.

  And even once you’ve reached that level, that skill can be lost or degrade over time if you dont keep at it, so repeatedly performing the same motions in the exact same way becomes entirely necessary in order to maintain your skill level.

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  • stephen01king@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If you were looking for consistency, that is by definition you looking for the same result, which is not covered in the definition of insanity.

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    • kelpie_returns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oops. I appreciate you clearing up the confusion. You ever just feel like a big dumb idiot sometimes? Cause I sure do.

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      • stephen01king@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I do feel like that sometimes, so completely understandable.

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    • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Not necessarily. If you are learning a skill that requires accuracy (e.g. darts), you will sdo the same thing ovre and over. In the beginning the result will be that you will hardly be able to hit the board at all, and after a ton of practice the result will be that you will hit where you want to hit.

      So by doing the same thing over and over again you will get a different result.

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      • Test_Tickles@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        If your results are different, then by definition what you did was not exactly the same.

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  • njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Finding? How are you going to find it? Since you’re arguing to never change what you’re doing in practice the very first attempt at practice must be the thing you always repeat right?

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    • kelpie_returns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Why are you pretending I said things I didn’t say? Finding the optimal way of doing something involves getting it wrong before you get it right. We all know this. What I was talking about was not greenhorn entry-level practice, but the practice of an expert who has already figured that much out. Obviously, you have to learn the right way to do something before you can do it the right way.

      Ask literally any half-decent guitarist if trying to do the same exact thing in the same exact way helps or hurts their skill. Now ask a martial artist. A dancer. A singer. A painter. An engineer. A carpenter. Even a bowler, as someone else already mentioned. These are all skills that are honed through repitition.

      In the spirit of the dialogue, I am going to repeat myself because it seems like I might need to; none of them got it right the first time. But after they did get it right, I guarantee you, their practice became about doing it again in exactly the same way. And then, once they were happy with their newly refinded skill, they learn something and start that cycle again.

      What’s that Bruce Lee quote? “I do not fear the man that has practiced a thousand moves once. I fear the man that has practiced one move a thousand times”. Skill comes with understanding and understanding comes with focus. At first, you focus on placing your fingers on exactly the right frets at exactly the right time, and then, after you’ve figure that out and can do it correctly, you do it over and over again until you’re sure that can always do it exactly the way you want to whenever you want it done. This isn’t esoteric lore. It’s common sense.

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      • njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Finding the optimal way of doing something involves getting it wrong before you get it right. We all know this. What I was talking about was not greenhorn entry-level practice, but the practice of an expert who has already figured that much out. Obviously, you have to learn the right way to do something before you can do it the right way.

        Congratulations that was the point.

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• rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You must not be a bowler.

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