Comment on American bully XL dogs to be banned by end of year - Sunak

• Blake@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There are massive differences between implementing a ban on pit bulls in a single city (Denver) and across an entire nation (the UK). The US is such a mess of federal, state, county, etc. laws that it is difficult to enforce such a law, but in the UK, it’s much easier.

  Honestly I’d go a lot further and ban all breeds with significant health issues as well, to be honest.

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  • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It is just as difficult and ineffective in the UK. They just breed in new types of dogs. The XL breed is a cross breed with a pit bull terrier which is already on a banned breed list.

    I would be for banning breeds with health issues. I would also ban all dog shows that promote dog breed types into the bargain. You will never stop idiots who follow celebrities, but dog shows are an easy fix, and a major reason people buy pedigrees in the first place.

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    • Blake@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Absolutely agree with you about banning dog shows. I am sure that there are valid criticisms of breed specific bans, but the article you linked wasn’t very persuasive at all, it was really clearly biased and had many weak arguments. Of the various claims made, I looked deeper into a few of them and found that the article was quite misleading. For example, it mentions that the Netherlands repealed a pit bull ban, with the implication being that they instead treat all breeds equally… but that’s just not true, because the Netherlands still classified pit bulls as a dangerous breed, and dogs classed as dangerous need to go through state mandated testing or be euthanised, which is a lot more work and much more cruel than the UK’s dangerous dogs legislation.

      I’m open to hearing good criticism from a perspective of improving outcomes but surely we can do better than that americentric article

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      • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It was just the first google link google returned.

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  • JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You should probably read the whole article before dismissing it. Easily the most sensible thing I’ve seen written about this.

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    • Blake@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I read the article and responded to several of the points elsewhere (OP posted it twice) - it’s total nonsense, sorry. If you read that and thought it was sensible I would strongly, strongly encourage you to seek out a media literacy course because it is quite overt misinformation

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  • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also if they actually banned with KOS (which would be terrible for many reasons, but still) then it would work in a us city, but anything where landlords and such are the “gatekeeper” will never work

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• Jabbawacky@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Nah mate, these dogs are fucking disgusting freaks. I’ve been chased by one before - quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck what your research says.

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  • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My point was that all dogs are dangerous. Selecting breeds shows total lack of understanding. It is how the dog is reared that causes the issues. Since you cannot evaluate that by looking at a dog then it makes more sense to add a safety device for all dogs.

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    • HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Do you have any statistics on deaths by dachshund?

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      • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Did I mention them at all ?

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      • xkillx@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Dachshunds can be nasty little assholes.

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    • Jabbawacky@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “how it was reared”

      You lost me there. These are breeds with an inherent nature to kill and maim. They’re freaks, mutants, and now thankfully to be banned.

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      • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The breed is only a small part of the issue. I have already shown studies that state this in another reply.

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    • lemonflavoured@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      all dogs are dangerous

      Okay, how many deaths are there due to Chihuahua?

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      • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Which is why I said above a certain weight.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      All large dogs are POTENTIALLY dangerous.

      Some breeds are EXCEPTIONAL at violence once they are triggered to do so.

      Training can reduce triggers (to zero?)

      A poodle or golden retriever can absolutely hurt and kill, but it would be anomalous beyond expectation that a golden would continue to attack and even feed on a human.

      Other breeds, once triggered, enter a state where they disengage from reason, latch, hold and tear. Depending on conditions they will even feed.

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• PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Totally not a biased source, with no actual statistics or studies to back them up - ah right. We have much fewer dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks in the UK than the US.

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  • Syldon@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This report gives the opinions of expert behaviourists and consultants on the reasons why some dogs may be aggressive towards people. Of the 215 experts who responded, some 74% argued that breed was either not at all important or only slightly important, whilst an overwhelming 86% believed it was due to the way that the dog was brought up by its owner.

    committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/…/html/

    The law on dangerous dogs refers to specific breeds of dog as ‘dangerous’. However, we believe that breed-specific legislation ignores the most important factors that contribute to biting incidents – primarily anti-social behaviour by irresponsible dog owners who train their dogs to be aggressive or do not train their dogs adequately.

    …org.uk/…/dangerous-dogs-deed-not-breed/

    theguardian.com/…/banning-some-dog-breeds-in-the-… - study in comments

    There is a ton of research on the issue.

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    • Blake@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Data were gathered via owner report using an online survey […] advertised online (via Facebook and relevant dog/breed specific groups, Twitter, pet fora, via the UK Kennel Club”

      Such science, very wow

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      • Jabbawacky@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Holy fuck lol

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    • blujan@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Opinions by “experts” are not actual science.

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• GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Muzzles aren’t gonna help when the dog escapes

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