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• barooboodoo@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hey Jimmy Kimmel, how do you like that marketplace of ideas? I heard conservatives sure do value that marketplace. Why can’t I hear you Jimmy?

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  • muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ohh that’s cos the left killed the guy who wanted free speech. Now they playing by your rules. You did this to yourself. The irony is palpable.

    U wanted a culture war, u wanted to silence free speech. You are now subject to the paradox of tolerance. You could not tolerate descenting opinions so your opinions cannot he tolerated. Ohh the irony.

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    • barooboodoo@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

      Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there’s no evidence “the left” killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?

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      • muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We both know he was datings someone trans. He had hundreds of hours in a game called “furry shades of gay”. Does either of those things sound like right wing to you?

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• Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is that really true though?

  When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.

  Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn’t apply to American “conservatives” who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.

  The “marketplace of ideas” phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.

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  • muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t lie to urself we both know that both parties are just as corrupt and bought out by corporate interests. The lefts beliefs are just as performative. Empathy for all people unless they say words we don’t like. Gun violence is bad and we should ban all guns but its OK to shoot some people for their opinions.

    If the communists are to be tolerated so must the Nazis. Communism is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis their is no argument for one that does not also lend value to the other. I’m of the persuasion that both those ideologies are evil and wrong but those ideas must be combatted by rational discussion and the only way to do that is allow all to speek.

    I’m neither a conservative or a democrat. I’m in fact not even a fucking American twat. But I have beliefs that strongly align with both sides and beliefs that strongly oppose both sides. Only in the struggle between ideas can actual change happen. Only through challenging the mind can greater ideas be formed. Fuck the political parties its not a football game where we choose sides and cheer for the downfall of our opponents it as a philosophical dance of ideas where the best shall eclipse all teams.

    The marketplace of ideas is an idea it is a concept it is not consecrate it is not progressive it is its own thing and it requires all sides take part. Lemmy is a hard left echo chamber I would like to see lemmy represent the average person to grant all people a voice in the great marketplace of ideas. And to do this we need the rightwingers.

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    • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I never said anything about US democrats (who are centre-right) or leftists. And where did I say you are American or even that you are a conservative or Democrat. Why are you bringing this up?

      I said something very specific, that US conservatives are beholden to oligarchs and even their alleged deeply held beliefs do not pass the basic smell test if you’ve lived in different countries / speak different languages and so on (this is true irrespective of you political views). It’s like claiming the United Russia party has deeply held beliefs. This is a ridiculous proposition.

      Making claims that “US conservatives support the marketplace ideas” is exactly the kind of thing that brings up massive red flags. Conservative/Progressive refers to broad political alignment. You can have people in both camps who support the marketplace of ideas and those that don’t. You can also have people who like to make statements about supporting the marketplace of ideas and this for superficial reasons.

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