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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.

  Evangelism typically involves more than just a book. There’s inevitably some amount of mysticism - faith healing, weather events that turn the tide of a pitched battle, communing with the dead, miraculous survival stories, straight up stage magic.

  Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.

  There’s inevitably some kind of reverse causation in these faiths. Humans are constantly asserting they can manipulate the heavens with ritual and sacrifice.

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  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You won’t find me coming to the defense of either large structured religions nor to the defense of the sun god, or his celestial counterparts.

    It’s all Hocus pokus.

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    For less insane religions and catholicism, they have centuries of philosophy and reinterpretation to fit new societal contexts to look back on.

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• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The only piece of evidence we have for a lot of things is a book written by humans

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  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    a lot of things.

    🤔

    Science doesn’t work that way. There’s provable and repeatable experiments and proofs that you can independently verify.

    Last time I checked most things that aren’t metaphysical (like philosophy), have some relationship with science, and therefore, only requires that you go through the motions to prove it yourself by creating your own reproduction of an test/experiment/proof…

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Science only works for scientific claims. It cannot prove that my great grandfather was in a prisoner of war camp.

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      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Last time I checked, people didn’t found their core belief system around whether prisoners of war existed or not.

        Even so, there’s tangible proof of him being there, by his physical body being there, when it happened. This can be proven by science. Obviously that’s not able to be proven after he was released from the camp, and yes, we have to take the scribbles on a page to know it happened.

        I will give you that.

        For anything that is a universal truth, like gravity, chemistry, the properties of light, electricity, and all the principles behind electronics engineering, etc… All of that is provable. Lived experiences, history, sure. We have to accept that what we’re reading is true or not. But that’s a choice.

        Science, which defines pretty much everything that’s happening, why is happening, and how it can happen, is immutable.

        The idea of “God” has no basis more reliable than someone’s report of it happening. For something so universal/omnipotent, the fact that the only “evidence” that it happened is in a book, yet this God has a plan for you right now, but you can’t know it because God won’t tell you, nor do anything outside of what physics/Science says can/will happen, isn’t evidence of the existence of such a deity, regardless of what someone calls “God”.

        All other things that exist, the forces that act on those things, and all of the possible outcomes of that thing existing can be proven by science. God cannot be proven, by science or otherwise.

        Even history, to some extent, can be proven, because the evidence still exists. You can visit auschwitz, and see where history happened from WW2. You can see the damage from bombs and gunfire in structures that were standing when conflicts happened. There’s still evidence for a lot of that. And again, the same cannot be said for any book about any deity.

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