TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
- A peeve of mine is the ease at which they’ve correctly diagnosed the Dunning-Kuerger effect and liberally applied. Few, if any, recognize that there is controversy around the effect.
- I think your insight is part of a growth mindset. A concept championed by Carol Dweck, it has been embraced by educators and, unfortunately, abused by managers. Too many people think a growth mindset is better than a fixed mindset. Image
- Intelligence has many definitions and contexts. I agree that intellectual humility is a useful trait and makes people far more bearable to deal with, but there’s a lot of ways to examine what intelligence is and how it operates
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Growth mindset is a privilege of the few with tons of resources for whom potential seems limitless. But really, they can only learn two or tree things well.
Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I could see why you’d say that. Stress creates environments of basic survival, which kills cognitive thought. More immediate survival is more salient.
That being said, if you have access to the internet, you have access to countless free educational tools.
Too much privilege brings sycophantic bubbles of delusion, like billionaires.
Having all the time and money also let’s you do a whole thing tank about how to ruin a country to fit your preferences. See the heritage foundation as prime example.
That being said, while it is less easy for the poor, it’s still essential to attempt that open mind and learn, so you don’t get trapped by a socialized category error applied as fact.
This is where we need predictive processing and the Bayesian brain to understand how beliefs are weighted and compared, and the failure states that might being.
Basically, poor weighting or system communication leads to an over affirmation of something that should have been high uncertainty, if measured from other directions.
Instead of seeing high cognitive dissonance as a sign to align low probability, it gets socialized into acceptance to save the energy of trying to worry about our deal with what, to that system, appears intractable.
DKE is at least useful in framing how each expertise eco-niche is filled with complexity that doesn’t Transfer. This is why scientists stict to their expertise, where they have high dimensions of understanding, and low dissonance to uphold.
This can be over-prioritized until no dissonance outside of microscopic niches that act more like data collection than science.
Experts however can work together to find truths that diffuse dissonance generally, to continue building understanding.
If the peasants could socialize that laziness was a lack of meta awareness of the greater dissonance diffusing web of shared expert consensus, instead of laziness being the act of not feeding the socio-economic hierarchy machine, which is famous for maximizing paperclips and crushing orphans.
Pretty sure I got beaten black and blue waiting for library access. Had to protest to keep a library open when I’m gradeschool.
So, growth mindset isn’t a privilege, but general access to affordances, pedigree, time, tools, social connections, etc, are all extra hurdles for growth mindset in impoverished places.
If there’s no internet access at all, then that’s just a disabled system.
Is not static with people, and Issue with growth mindset would just be vulnerability to learning yourself into some information bubble that intentionally cuts off communication, so that you can only use that group as a resource for building your world model, bringing you to where the closed brains go just to save energy, and keeping you there forever.
Groups that are cool with making confident choices fueled by preference in high dissonance spaces. which basically acts like fertile soil for socializing strong cult beliefs and structures.
They also use weird unconscious tools that keep them in the bubble. Listen to almost anyone that’s escaped a cult for good elaboration there. Our brains will do a lot to keep us from becoming a social pariah in our given environment we have grown into.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Half of that sounded suspiciously like AI slop. You might have an actual message, but you badly butchered it, especially by spamming diffusion. You seem to be using the language of statistics to explain the functions of the brain, why we err, failures of our society, and you are throwing together a lot of things at once, which is typical of say…an ADHD person, who sees it all as connected.
You badly structured it, and you sound like a scizophrenic, but I think I understand what you are trying to say. I certainly will not put up with that much to not become a pariah, I almost got into a physical altercation more than once with a co-worker for this reason.
Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
will try to take it in good humour, but i love how i got compared to ai, adhd(AuDHD would be the real wombo combo here so you get points), and schizophrenic people.
and i would hope i don’t confabulate half as much as an LLM.
although an understanding of the modern situation does require an unfortunately theoretical take, while there’s more noise and conspiracy theories being socially reified than most people can remember. but i’d like to think i’m weighting this take via the best available expert consensus that i can find and source. biggest ‘correction’ i’d make is that i was beaten black and blue for waiting outside of the library, which was unrelated to the protest.
if you do actually care, and can handle more than the usual 140 character tweet limit, here’s some elaboration.
the ‘sycophancy into delusion effect’ i refer to can be seen widely reported on most news sites, where chatgpt and the like cause a feedback-loop into a psychotic break. predictive processing and the bayesian brain are leading theories in psychology that work well nested with other leading theories such as global workspace.
this is a very recent example with michael levin from tufts, who often works with friston’s free energy principle and active inference (included notes in wiki)
friston has hundreds of thousands of citations, if you care about pedigree. i hope i do not poorly capture or inaccurately represent any of their ideas, but if you’d like to drink from the source, you have my full recommendation.
that’s where the “saving energy” stuff comes from. while DKE might not perfectly and accurately explain the situation, i’m all for better ways to convey that eco-niche specific intelligence doesn’t always transfer, especially if it’s ‘overfit to a local minima.’ in the bio-world you have overspecialization, like pandas too fit to a specific environment, which may focus on skills that don’t transfer outside of that environment. there’s a lot more to gain from the full bayesian perspective, but there is a lot to be gained just by looking at how systems can successfully co-construct, and their possible failure states that are inevitable as systems grow apart into new niche environments.
there’s actually an interplay between that ‘energy saving’ property and putting energy back out which can be used to explore the environment, build a more robust model, and survive greater environmental shifts. this is explained in active inference. good, but slightly old textbook on MITpress.
i’m saying that meta-awareness of the failure states in these specific system dynamics could do much more general and robust good for society than being socially pressured into climbing the socio-economic hierarchy as hard as possible.
there’s a term for an imagined AI going rogue due to being overfit to a single goal. this is called a ‘paperclip maximizer.’ i compare the current socio-economic system to that failure. you know, ‘capitalism number go up!’
i don’t think any studies i’ve seen disagree with that take, but if there’s a relevant expert who’s got a strong weighting i’m unaware of, i’m always open to updating my weights.
as for learning yourself into some information bubble, or how someone can hold ridiculous beliefs without the need to question them, such as grand confidence despite low evidence, is often by taking something you have low evidence about, and having high confidence. and then giving it a high weighting. funny enough, friston’s dysconnection hypothesis is about framing schizophrenia as precision weighting issues, but i don’t think they are the kind i have TY.
mahault has a phd under friston, and her epistemic papers are essential IMO.
so there you have it, the larger environment of my thoughts, largely focused around one of the most cited neuroscience experts of all time, and michael levin who i mentioned is doing some of the coolest current empirical results in modern biology.
i tried, thank you if you got this far. if nothing else, please stay curious, but beware information silos that disable coms completely, or otherwise create barriers to properly comprehending the systems being represented. ‘nothing about us without us’ is important for a reason.